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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 11:39 pm
 
Please, tell me how! I go round and round w/relatives on shit and can never get them to see the truth. It's like half of this country is braindead and the other half is too apethetic to care. I'm definitely not a liberal, but a left-leaning moderate. Of course, if I don't like W. I must be a bleeding-heart liberal, right?

If you have any good advice, please share. Thanks!
Posted: Sep 13, 2005 11:50 pm
 
Why discuss politics with them at all? Really, why talk religion, philosophy or politics with anyone with an opinion? It's not like they are going to change their minds about it. It's not as if they will vote/pray/think any different. I find it makes social outings much more palatable to discuss risque things, beer, movies, music - anything but "issues". Fuck em all.
Posted: Sep 13, 2005 11:53 pm
 
In fact, discussing anything with "meaning" with me is usually the killer for all potential acquaintances/sex partners. I have spent enough time forming my own opinion on these issues to bother with someone else's. I'd rather play cards.
Posted: Sep 13, 2005 11:54 pm
 
But that's just my opinion, and, if you were paying attention, you shouldn't give a rat's ass what I think.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 12:38 am
 
The troll actually has fairly sound advice. My pops is hardcore GOP. He was estactic when he got his christmas card "from" W and Laura. And he refuses to recognize any of the glaringly obvious bullshit that his beloved party endorses. So I just quit trying to talk about it. Now we just bitch about local politics together. Thats one thing we can agree on.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 1:25 am
 
I agree with everyone. Titties is a better subject than politics.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 1:29 am
 
My family is all right-wing catholic republicans. When things get uncomfortable they usually try to change the subject to sports or reality TV. I don't follow sports or watch reality TV. Once in while they try to bond with me on the 'music' thing, but then I never know anything about popular music and they can't undertand that. We don't talk much.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 1:30 am
 
I'll try titties on thanksgiving and see how it goes over
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 2:18 am
 
I don't know how many people on this board grew up in the South with grandparents who basically raised them because their parents were too damn young to even be having kids in the first place...and had to hear "nigger-this, jigaboo-that, godamn evil labor unions, why ya mad honey? It is JUST THE WAY IT IS. We can't change how we were raised!"

I loved those Southern dearhearts but it was just like Archie Bunker with Gloria and Meathead around my house in the 70's.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 2:27 am
 
I have a great aunt in Jackson, MS who (until a few years ago) wore petticoats on Sundays, and would drive the Model-A Ford. She did not mean Raccoons, when talking about hunting.

Mr. Slaughter,
I was raised in a Southern-Baptist military family. The Troll's thoughts are closest to mine when talking to Mom & Pops. My brother, however?
Speak.

Very.

Slowly.

It.

Annoys.

Him.

To.

No.

End.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 2:45 am | Edited by: Jack Stands
 
"I have a great aunt in Jackson, MS"

great-aunt...

sister to my grandmother...


I still haven't figured out the buttons above for itallics.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 4:35 am
 
Gawd Mark! You and your tittie talk! Will you get some already and give it a rest!
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:41 am
 
"I have a great aunt in Jackson, MS
whats she look like?
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:43 am
 
I guess it is a matter of e-mails, not really dialogue. Several friends/family members have no problem fwd'ing their right-wing propaganda to me, but how dare I return the favor. The worst part is they rarely know what they're talking about and it makes it hard to dispute the ridiculous claims made. But I'll probably go the avoidance route. Titties seems much nicer.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:56 am
 
"I have a great aunt in Jackson, MS

She's around her late 70's, early 80's, I'd guess. She had black hair with a white stripe in front. Really.

As for Mr. Slaughter, my dad loves a good dirty joke. Learn as many as possible. Tell them when you're not around Mom.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 1:59 pm
 
I hear ya' Fiery. My parents were young hipies too stoned and drunk out of their minds to even consider raising children. Spent most of my youth at my grandmothers house. Right wing conservative radio blasting out of 5 radios strategically placed throughout the house so it could be heard everywhere.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 3:54 pm
 
I would save your breath, they have made their minds up, they are in denial, and they are closed-minded. I have wasted many hours trying to convince conservatives that they are blind to the truth, it was really just a waste of my energy....
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 4:49 pm
 
Problem is, almost the whole of society is constantly confirming right-wingers' ideas of personal safety/family/country, and they just call you a 'liberal panty-waist' or someother such bullshit if you express concern for the way the world is going (or gone?) ...

I did try to reason with a redneck once, saying "If we were the last two people on Earth, and I was dying of hunger, would you watch me die, or give me bread?" He said, "If you weren't a member of my family, or a good looking chick, I'd let you die".

Conservatives are just self-haters and afraid of everybody, especially themselves! But then again, liberal apologists are almost as bad ...
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:03 pm
 
I think I was pretty lucky to get adopted away from my southern biological parents--no seeming semblance of marital stability for at least a couple generations. Theyr'e what you might call jesus freaks now.

Adoptive family still GOP all the way. My Dad is your corporate loving, control freak accountant type with the "autographed" picture of W. and Laura that he wants to frame up. Ahh, fambly.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:04 pm
 
So, was this "redneck" here in the US or do they have these people on the other side of the pond as well?

I want to hear a British Redneck accent...
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:13 pm
 
I want to hear a British Redneck accent...

have you ever talked to an australian?
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:17 pm
 
Now that's just rude! Yeah, there's PLENTY of rednecks over here, what with our pale complexions n'all ...

You're lucky that all Brit rednecks go to Florida or Spain, mate, cos you do NOT want to fuck with a bullock-like, burnt-red, bald-headed, tattooed brit who can't find any 'English' (i.e. Indian curry) food on his annual two-week lager bender ...
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:46 pm
 
I would point out some of the conservative writers that are critical of Bush and the war and his leadership. They are out there. Andrew Sullivan, at andrewsullivan.com, is a complete small government conservative that is willing to lash out at the president. Tucker Carlson is an arrogant prick, but he recently came out against the war. Katrina is a potential tipping point and more flexible-minded conservatives are able to point out the numerous cracks in our leader.
Although, I do avoid some political talk with some of my relatives. My sister was very concerned about Terri Schaivo and my brother-in-law thinks evolution is a crock.
There's not much point engaging them.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:49 pm | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
My parents were young hipies too stoned and drunk out of their minds to even consider raising children. Spent most of my youth at my grandmothers house

EXACTLY! I mean, thank god for Granny, Granddaddy Bill, Granddaddy Tom and Honey...but MY GOD! What a way to fuck with a kid! Marijuana and National Lampoon upstairs at mom's and Hee Haw and Eddie Albert downstairs in Granny's. One of my last memories of my Granny was her frothing mad about Bill Clinton cheating on his wife.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 6:08 pm
 
Andrew Sullivan, at andrewsullivan.com, is a complete small government conservative that is willing to lash out at the president. Tucker Carlson is an arrogant prick, but he recently came out against the war.

Please, Sullivan is just an average queer who refuses to completely repent and get right with Jesus. He's under the illusion that well intentioned fags will go to heaven. And Tucker? He's just recently decided to jump on the war criticism bandwagon since Cindy Sheehan made it fashionable this fall.
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 6:32 pm
 
wow, I guess i lucked out growing up. The only thing we talked about was civil rights. We formed our own political opinions as we grew up.
hookorcrook
Posted: Sep 14, 2005 11:52 pm
 
last christmas i bought my cousin thomas frank's book 'what's the matter with kansas', assuming it would be taken back and exchanged in no time for ann coulter's newest or something. very unexpectedly he called me about a month ago (i usually only see him at christmas) and said it had really made him re-think a lot of what he always believed in. i think the daily show has also had a big effect on him in the last few years. i bought 'what's the matter with kansas for a few people last year and i'm sure he's the only one who read it. for years i've been given bill o'reilly and rush limbaugh books from the same people so this is a bit of a victory. haven't read it yet, but it looks like this year i'm buying them all chris mooney's 'the republican war on science' http://www.salon.com/books/review/2005/09/14/mooney/index.html
Posted: Sep 15, 2005 1:09 am | Edited by: Uptight White
 
I like discourse. Having an inteligent conversation with a reasonable person I disagree with is one of lifes great joys. Unfortunately, most people are not up to the task.

Most of my friends are extremely liberal, and I could care less if they ever see things my way. And the funny thing is, after a few drinks with many of my pals, we often find we agree more than we disagree. I now believe there is a latent Social Darwinist lurking inside of even the most soft-hearted "progressive".

A major difference I've noticed between right and left is where they stand on the Nature vs. Nurture debate. Right wing people tend to believe that inborn traits are the determining factor in how a person develops, and lefties tend to feel that the environment plays a larger role in how a person develops. Has anybody else noticed this?
Posted: Sep 15, 2005 2:05 am
 
the Nature vs. Nurture debate.

One only needs to look at our Royal Family... I mean The Bushes and see that nature vs. nurture is probably a crock.

Barbara Bush (W's mom) = Marie Antoinnette - a combo of nature AND nurture. Born privileged and privilege reinforced.

You could probably look at the Kennedys also and see they are a combo of bleeding hearts with a smattering of Papa Joe's total corruption.
Posted: Sep 15, 2005 8:05 am
 
it would be so much better and easier if old washed up religious beliefs were not involved in fucking IGNORANT politics. Hmmm USA not even 250 yrs old.. Bible.. 1000's of years old..??? things have changed since days of Doug Henning aka Jesus Christ. Everything is better with magic.


i dont know what im talikng about. BUt i do know this, Magicians get lot more money (and pussy) thans JC ever got. Just ask David Copperfeild.
" In the begining, Man created God.. cuz man, are we fucking crazy or what..?" Dutch Hercules verses 9:11.
Posted: Sep 15, 2005 5:52 pm
 
I'm probably much more conservative than most folks here, but the problem lies more in the polarization of our society. "Conservative dipshit" doesn't really help matters much. My problem is that no one political party/ideology speaks for me. I'm pro choice and pro gun. I'm pro capitalist but I think churches should be taxed like everything else. I'm against the pledge of allegience in schools but i'm against affirmative action. I do not believe that we should sacrifice our civil rights for homeland security. I think illegal immigrants should be deported. I'm on both sides of so many issues because I think our laws should be founded in common sense and an understanding of human nature. If a politician were to state any of these beliefs, there's no way they would be elected.
Posted: Sep 15, 2005 9:33 pm
 
I agree with most of your points. The whole "conservative dipshit" vs. "knee-jerk liberal" argument is as tired as comedians who rely on "men do this, women do that" ad nauseum. I don't agree with how the division is drawn - why does the "freedom party" care where people put their pee-pees? Why does the "anti-fascist" party legislate away the right to use whatever language you feel appropriate (PC thought police)? Only a true dipshit is a dittohead who drifts along a party line without question, and unfortunately, the majority of the citizens in this country do just that.
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 3:07 am
 
I consider myself a libertarian socialist.
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 9:58 am
 
I'm probably much more conservative than most folks here, but the problem lies more in the polarization of our society. "Conservative dipshit" doesn't really help matters much.

I totally agree with that. These media induced battle lines between the left and the right since the last election are getting ridiculous. They make no room for any gray area. The scary thing: People who would otherwise not care started buying into this shit, so now people are adamently choosing between two sides in a fight that doesn't really exist in the first place. You're either a hardcore Republican or an angry Liberal. Doesn't leave alot of options open.

Even as a liberal, one positive thing I can say about these two shitty Bush terms is this: at least people, especially young people, are getting passionate about politics, and questioning it. You never really saw this shit in the 90's, people were pretty apathetic about government, at least on a pop culture level. Even if it's stupid shit like kids watching a Michael Moore flick, if it gets people thinking, it can't be all that bad.
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 8:13 pm
 
whats she look like?

You are a sick boy
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 8:22 pm
 
Problem is, almost the whole of society is constantly confirming right-wingers' ideas of personal safety/family/country, and they just call you a 'liberal panty-waist' or someother such bullshit if you express concern for the way the world is going (or gone?) ...

This is so true, even though I'd estimate about 98% of Americans are actually more liberal than conservative, if you ask them what they believe in.

Slaughter: I would block their emails, or just delete them without reading them. I have Xian friends who do that, send me God bullshit. So I try to send them liberal shit once in a while to see if they are paying attention.

My family has traditionally been racist and Republican (Irish Catholics, makes sense don't it?) but my DAD voted for NADER the first time he ran, and now my brother who until a few months ago was still a Bushie, just borrowed Fahrenheit 9/11 from us... so there is hope! Like with a lot of things, change must come from within... The media in this country is really making matters worse. We probably are more divided as a nation than we have ever been, and it makes it worse... I also resent this "if you are against Bush, you are against America!" mentality, but that has improved somewhat lately...
Posted: Sep 16, 2005 8:23 pm
 
I want to hear a British Redneck accent...

It's called "cockney" and you can hardly understand a word of it
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