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Posted: Aug 8, 2011 6:41 pm
 
The news looks like shit these days, I don't understand DOW Jones stuff, apparently it is a life threatning condition for usa...? Discuss:
Posted: Aug 8, 2011 7:35 pm
 
In my opinion, until we decide to tax the corporations and the filthy rich.........no, it won't get better. It seems to me that the poor and elderly are going to have to pay the country's debt. I'd love to sell our president a used car...that dude is a shitty negotiator,
Posted: Aug 8, 2011 7:48 pm
 
What Cole said.
Posted: Aug 8, 2011 10:59 pm
 
t dude is a shitty negotiator

he kind of wants to live past the next election
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 12:49 am
 
all we are trying to do is keep something that is obviously broken running a few more years while we suck every last bit of life from its teat before it finally dies. its unsustainable and taxing the rich wont make things better, we are way past that point. while obama isnt doing much to change things maybe thats for the best right now, i would rather have sock puppet obama in charge than crazy old man mccain and that stupid fucking palin bitch.

things could be worse, alot worse.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 9:20 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
I'm stocking up on holy water and shotgun ammo....I'm gonna be ready for them brain eatin teabaggers.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 9:45 am
 
Today's a good day to buy some GE stock, you guys.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 9:49 am
 
$15.50? It'll be back up to $22 by the close of Q4. That's a 42% increase in just 5 months.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 9:57 am
 
How about Crest tootpaste? Even poor folk got to brush.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 10:26 am
 
Proctor and Gamble will probably get back to the $66-68 range before too long, but that's a pretty modest gain from the $60 they're at now.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 12:19 pm
 
There's a time to compromise and a time to put your foot down. Obama needs to go back and read up on FDR and take it to heart this time. He's looking weak, for sure.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 12:34 pm
 
I think my grandfather invested in Johnson and Johnson, the band aid kings, back in the early 60's. I wish I had smarts to learn how to invest in swell coporations.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 1:07 pm
 
yeah, my grandpa was a helluva industrial capitalist investor too.

agree with Brad we're better off than we could be, but I still say it's time to tax the rich, fer cryin' out loud. the polls say 75% in favor, let's call those MFers' bluff.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 2:10 pm
 
that would be one way to get them to move more operations overseas faster. raising taxes on the rich isnt a great way to create job growth. you know the government wouldnt use that money for anything good anyways, it would just be swallowed up into more useless foreign aid and "defense" spending, maybe some research like the $4 billion and counting we have invested into creating an amphibious marine vehicle.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 2:42 pm
 
I'm all for more socialism from Obama...before Reagan there was some rule where every U.S. coporation had to annualy prove how they were benefiting the U.S. as a nation...they need to put that back into effect.

They need to undo most everything that moron Reagan did. Like regulating the hell out of corporations and forbidding them from using defacto slave labor in third world nations.....Reagan's policies fuckin encouraged that shit...
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 2:45 pm
 
"Oh yeah...take your factories over seas where you can pay people in peanuts and let children stitch your shitty products...it's cool. But don't forget to return the favor come next election."
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 2:47 pm
 
Honestly...I say fuck the economy...I'll be smiling every day watching Republicans eating out of garbage cans....of course I will be right there with them...but hell I already dumpster dive from time to time.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 6:08 pm
 
that would be one way to get them to move more operations overseas faster

Aren't they pretty much all there already? Interesting how U.S. corporations outsource all their manufacturing to 3rd world countries but all their top executives and their families still live here in the U.S.

raising taxes on the rich isnt a great way to create job growth

Lowering them doesn't seem to do anything either. 30 years of promoting 'trickle-down" and it hasn't worked yet. Meanwhile, Keynesian demand-side economics rescued the U.S. economy after the Depression and after WWII. Deficit, schmefisit! Consumer spending! Jobs programs! Trickle-up! Proven to work! Hello? Hello, is anyone there?

And lastly: Fuck Ayn Rand. One of the biggest idiots of the 20th century, and a shitty writer, too. There, I said it.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 7:06 pm
 
that would be one way to get them to move more operations overseas faster. raising taxes on the rich isnt a great way to create job growth. you know the government wouldnt use that money for anything good anyways, it would just be swallowed up into more useless foreign aid and "defense" spending, maybe some research like the $4 billion and counting we have invested into creating an amphibious marine vehicle.

This is the textbook bullshit right-wing talking point about taxes. You're not gonna balance the budget by cutting entitlements. Gotta raise some taxes. And nobody on the left is advocating tax increases as the one thing to do to fix the economy.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 8:14 pm
 
And lastly: Fuck Ayn Rand. One of the biggest idiots of the 20th century, and a shitty writer, too. There, I said it.

if it wasn't for her, none of those bagger dipshits would have ever entered a library or bookstore. Whatta cunt...also the single biggest reason Rush started to suck after Peart joined the band...his stroking off to her and writing lyrics about it runied what could have been a great rock band.

But I digress. This shit started with Reagan, the last 30 years have been mainly feeding the greed machine and we are now showing the wounds and the right just wants to pour salt in them instead of bandaging them. If you are not an unborn fetus or a milllionaire/billionaire and you vote republican you are slitting your own wrists. Republicans care nothing for you, they just know they can play you for their own and their corporate buddies gain.

Obama might not be effective, BUT I will never vote for a Republican for president for the very reason I do not want a right-winger making Supreme Court nominations, ever(we will probably get 2 or 3 openings this next term). Thats is what starts the shit ball to hell running faster. If we get another Republican in the white house we will get folks that make Scalia look like a hippie sitting on the Supreme court. Then we will have a plutocracy, not only in practice but on paper as well.
Posted: Aug 9, 2011 8:43 pm
 
I would argue that it's getting better all the time and now is the perfect time to buy some Beatles MP3s for that special someone in your life. Probably cheaper than post rapture care for your pets.
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 8:46 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
YeahAnd lastly: Fuck Ayn Rand. One of the biggest idiots of the 20th century, and a shitty writer, too.

Agreed... one of my biggest beefs with her and libertarian Teabagger dorks, is their thinly veiled use of Nietzschian theory which they misunderstand and misrepresent on a profound level. They're worse than the Third Reich were.

Bunch of fucking privelaged elementary ass lickers.
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 8:57 am
 
What the left needs to realize is that they're dealing with a bunch of sociopaths...

American Psycho could be the most importand novel of the past 30 years.

There is a thin line between a "sociopath" and a "hero"...but these self serving butt wipes aint heros.

I think it's time people get serious about taking these motherfuckers down....since we're posting this shit on the internet...they'd have us believe we're all targets.....we probbably are, but they're also morons, so I'm willing to take my chances.
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 2:53 pm | Edited by: carney
 
In my opinion, until we decide to tax the corporations and the filthy rich.........no, it won't get better. It seems to me that the poor and elderly are going to have to pay the country's debt. I'd love to sell our president a used car...that dude is a shitty negotiator,

Two words: Flat tax. No loopholes, no write offs. EVERYONE (corps included) pay a flat _____% (insert number here, 15 % sounds good to me). Yes it is a regressive tax, but I think the big guys being held to the same standard as everyone else is about as fair as it will ever get. I don't believe in the "fair tax", ie taxing consumption only. Give those below the arbitrary poverty line a rebate on taxes paid, putting that money back into the economy.

I think it's time people get serious about taking these motherfuckers down

White riot, anyone? The riots in England are a joke. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 4:01 pm
 
flat tax with a rebate to those living below the poverty line is a fair solution even if it is regressive.
Posted: Aug 10, 2011 10:39 pm
 
Today's a good day to buy some GE stock, you guys.
$15.50? It'll be back up to $22 by the close of Q4. That's a 42% increase in just 5 months.


Unless you're a swing trader, DO NOT go long in the stock market right now. Geithner, Bernanke, William "let them eat ipads" Dudley all those cocksuckin' motherfuckers ain't got a solution to your problems. And they're all out of dope too. Believe me.

I wouldn't think about going long until at least the nadir of all the major indices reached in 3/09 has been surpassed. Depending on the fucking prevailing economic conditions going on when that happens, I'd probably still fuckin' hold off. Good news though kiddies. It's easier to spot a bottom than it is a top. Assuming you still have two nickels to rub together once the smoke clears.

Honestly...I say fuck the economy...I'll be smiling every day watching Republicans eating out of garbage cans....

Tiger Blinds, from what I've read on this faggot message board, 99% of the posters are a bunch of rich college preppie motherfuckers. Except for you and maybe a couple of other dudes. I know all the fancy French restaurants. Together, we can dine on some stuffed pheasant and caviar and then throw our shit at the scumfuc republicans eating out of garbage cans. It'd be the best fuckin' gourmet meal they've ever had, baby.
Posted: Aug 11, 2011 9:22 am
 
I was thinking more along the lines of boycotting certain corporations....but I'll be there taking pictures of anyone who wants to start a White Riot.
Posted: Aug 11, 2011 9:33 am
 
I don't understand why the American consumer has so little backbone or self respect, and yet this huge overly inflated nationalistic ego.

I mean the Senate told the oil companies we were going to raise their taxes and they said they would just pass the burden on to the American public in higher gas prices....wtf?
Posted: Aug 11, 2011 9:39 am
 
The U.S. has become a nation of butt wipes for major corporations....Reagan put us in this spot.
Posted: Aug 11, 2011 11:43 am
 
I'll be there taking pictures

you sure will, CIA
Posted: Aug 11, 2011 3:57 pm
 
It already did...
Ever since B.A.D. came back!

Party down eat your friend, !B movie stories never end!
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 8:14 am
 
Mick Jones looks to be bringing the Robert Quine look back.
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 10:44 am
 
Fuck Ayn Rand. One of the biggest idiots of the 20th century, and a shitty writer, too. There, I said it.

you said it right there, man.

i doubt if this is going to get any better. 'mericans are too lazy to do any rioting on a massive level. too many are currently placated with their material things to do much. only when we're in bread lines (when it's too late) will most of the population start to take notice. as long as folks have a full belly, they don't think anything is wrong.
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 11:53 am | Edited by: Will
 
Two words: Flat tax. No loopholes, no write offs. EVERYONE (corps included) pay a flat _____% (insert number here, 15 % sounds good to me). Yes it is a regressive tax, but I think the big guys being held to the same standard as everyone else is about as fair as it will ever get.

I basically agree. That's assuming THERE ARE NO LOOPHOLES. As it is, our statutory corporate rates are rather high. BUT the fact remains many corporations exploit a variety of loopholes that allow them to pay an effective rate of 0%; and some even "pay" a NEGATIVE rate, allowing them to make money off of credits and deductions on top of their net profits:
http://accounting-financial-tax.com/2011/06/12-big-yet-famous-corporat ions-pay-no-tax/

Are these corporations who are bilking the system with the blessing of their benefactors in Congress and the White House going to get behind lower statutory rates if and ONLY if it means their effective rates actually go up? I just don't see it happening.

And despite what we hear on FOX News and from talk radio, the nominal marginal rates on the extremely wealthy individuals not as bad as made out:

U.S. rates vs rest of world (US came in at number 37):
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/tax_hig_mar_tax_rat_ind_rat-highest- marginal-tax-rate-individual

Warren Buffet on how a variety of credits, deductions and sundry loopholes available to the very wealthy actually flattens out the *effective* rates across the income spectrum:


More fun stuff:
http://www.frumforum.com/how-the-super-rich-scored-on-tax-day


Now, all that said, I could get behind a flat tax that wipes out ALL deductions, credits etc that have, along with unsustainable entitlements, compounded our deficit and debt woes. Even some of the most fiscally conservative economists* in our country have gone on record saying that our problem is spending AND lack of revenues. The difference between these guys and those in the halls of Congress or on talk radio is that these guys aren't looking for votes, nor do they get paid for partisan hackery.

*Bruce Bartlett (worked for Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan): http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/are-the-bush-tax-cuts-the -root-of-our-fiscal-problem/

http://www.frumforum.com/ratings-agencies-also-want-to-see-bush-tax-c uts-lapse

http://www.frumforum.com/conservative-economists-raise-revenue

David Stockman (worked for Reagan) & Greenspan (avowed Randite):
http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/09/news/economy/elders_economy/i ndex.htm

Unfortunately I have very little faith that this is actually the way a flat tax would shake out. Those subsidies and loopholes are enormously popular, and are, from my vantage point, basically sold for campaign cash by a distressing majority of our elected officials. Also, there's a strident philosophy in DC and around the country that raising revenues, even when coupled with austerity measures in the interest of avoiding economic disaster, is still a net negative.
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 12:06 pm
 
and to be clear, it's not just a matter of unsustainable spending anymore:

http://economiccrisis.us/2011/04/60yearlow-tax-revenues-contribute-def icit-growth/
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 12:12 pm
 
so anyway, write your Senators and Congressperson and tell them what they already know: our defense and entitlement spending is out of control. it will have to be retooled in order to make it sustainable.

then tell them something that apparently only some of them know: our revenues as of percentage of GDP are at an all-time low. that's ALSO unsustainable. with two wars unpaid for and an aging boomer population, to suggest revenues are not a problem is insane. sociopathic, even.
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 12:22 pm
 
I feel sure that all the new apps being developed for everybody's I-phone will make USA better.

How about a 50% tax on i-Phone apps?
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 2:27 pm | Edited by: Uptight White
 
The flat tax is a scam that will be rolled out along with VAT, income, carbon taxes, not instead of them. Talk radio conservatives are deluding their listeners with this as well as the national sales tax BS. Both would also require an exponential increase in IRS agents to facilitate.

Until the US radically changes is monetary policy with a private Federal Reserve printing our currency and loaning back to us at interest and printing money at the expense of rapid devaluation rates (quantitative easing), amends the current fractional reserve banking system, reinstates Glass-Stegal (the most important immediate move), and ends policies and laws favoring the deindustrialization of the West, we will be in a decades long recession or depression. The lack of jobs is the result of over three decades of globalization (set in motion by Bush Sr. & Nixon), not the fault of the current president. He is just making it worse by continuing the same globalist agenda along with his pet bailouts and stimulus.
Posted: Aug 12, 2011 3:33 pm
 
GOLD GOLD GIVE ME MY PRECIOUS GOLD
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 12:05 pm
 
america is in serious straights right now, make no mistake about it.

if you can, do something to improve your skillset outside of what might be comfortable. put down the bong and pick up a manual on how to code, how to build apps or how to create a valuable and economically viable business.

but frankly, most of us are just going to have to weather the pain. thank you, warren buffet, for your willingness to forgo a few extra million:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich .html?ref=opinion
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 1:36 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
I'm not putting my bong down for nobody. I may get a hand gun and start practicing by shooting rats in the junkyard.

Warren Buffet is a democrat sure...but he is still a creeper pedophile into snuff films who walks both sides of the political fence...but sure for all practical purposes regarding some issues he seems like a pretty good guy.

As far as teenage boy snuff film sex addicts can be good guys anyways.
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 2:37 pm
 
http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/2011/08/08/the-franklin-cover-up-bi llionaire-warren-buffet/


He effectivedly had a declarated vietnam vet lawyer and a U.S. senator shut down...

He owns several known CIA umbrella corporations...

I might look somewhere else for ethical economic advice. Not to mention George W. and Dick Cheney were hiding out at his compound on 9-11.

I'm jusy sayin, he's not a good guy...even if he has sound observations from time to time.
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 2:44 pm
 
Well that links bullshit...I advocate cutting down on the population...but he has way to sketchy dealings in the Omaha human trafficing scandal.
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 2:51 pm
 
Here this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about.




It's all related to 9-11 conspiracy theory, as well as Hunter S. Thompsons supposed suicide....they think he may have been researching this shit. But the facts stink to high heaven and Buffet smells like dog shit.
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 2:54 pm
 
The consipiracy got deeper in 2004, when a fake reporter for the George W. admin was busted for selling sexual services on a male prostitution site....turns out that he was one of the kidnapped Omaha boys....they have shit tons of evidence but he refuses to take a DNA test....anyway there's just to many undisputable facts for this conspiracy to be total bullshit.

Like I said before, we're up against sociopaths.
Posted: Aug 15, 2011 3:41 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
Since Warren Buffet is in the news this week you realy should research the Franklin Cover Up because it's not going anywhere.

In 2004 he compared Arnold to FDR and this is how people responded.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a ddress=108x111850

That was before they found a fake reporter with full access to the Capitol Building and the White House selling his booty on some marine boys website.
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 9:31 am
 
The great thing about studying the Franklin Conspiracy is you get to see how a coverup realy takes place...they're still trying to divert peoples attention.

Check out this Wikepedia entry:

The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations were a series of high-profile accusations and legal actions between 1988 and 1991 surrounding an alleged child sex ring serving prominent citizens of Omaha, Nebraska, as well as high-level U.S. politicians.[1] The allegations centered around the actions of Lawrence E. King, director of the recently-collapsed Franklin Community Federal Credit Union in Omaha and a prominent local political figure. Two grand juries ruled the allegations to be false and two purported victims were indicted for perjury[2] (one was convicted and sentenced to 915 years in prison[3]) though numerous conspiracy theories persisted afterwards.[1]



It would have you believe it was a bunch of crackpot accusations...

Now check out this paragraph from one of the pervert philanthropists obituaries:

In 1990, a grand jury investigating various allegations surrounding the 1988 collapse of the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union indicted Baer on two pandering charges. He later pleaded no contest to a single reduced charge of aiding and abetting prostitution and paid a small fine.



http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article& id=171:king-expands-into-food-service-something-on-every-burner-jan-12 -1985-&catid=6:news-articles&Itemid=14

Read the entire obituary, it just glazes over the entire issue.


Point being, do your own research don't be duped. I'm currently ignoring politics for the time being...motherfuckers can all go to hell. But a flat tax only seems like a temporary fix to me....Rich motherfuckers like Buffett are just worried that people will get antzy and when consumers are antzy they don't spend money and rich fucks don't make money....
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 9:40 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
To bring it full circle, I haven't heard Op Ivy in probbably 9 years but this song came straight to my mind...I fuckin hate politics and ska for the most part, but how true was this song?

Freeze Up
empty factories to the east and all our waste
the shape of things that came show on the broken worker's face
to the west you'll find a silicon promised land
where machines all replace their minds with systematic profit plans
the course of human progress staggers like a drunk
it's pace is quick and heavy but it's mind is slow and blunt
i look for optimism but i just dont know
its seeds are planted in a poison place where nothing grows
its 1989 stand up and take a look around
weathers' bitter tension it seems is sinking down
drunk with power
and fighting one another
every hour shows the winter's getting harder
THERES A FREEZE UP- THERES A FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERES A FREEZE UP-FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERES A FREEZE UP- THERES A FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERE'S A FREEZE UP COMIN'
one nation stands the tallest radiating blinding light
plastic and flourescent energy robbing us of sight
set in our way- content with our decay
we wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade
ever ask yourself where's my place in this hell?
but no one's there to tell you cuz they dont know that themselves
the well-rehearsed lines from our elated politicians
no longer offer solace we can see the self-destruction
it's 1989 stand up and takea look around
weather's bitter tension it seems is sinking down
drunk with power and fighting one another
every hour shows the winter's getting harder
THERES A FREEZE UP- THERES A FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERES A FREEZ UP-FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERES A FREEZE UP- THERES A FREEZE UP COMIN'
THERES A FREEZE UP COMIN'
just one political song, just one political song
to drop into the list that stretches years and years long
just one political song, just one political song
to drop into the list that stretches years and years long
static and division is increasing like a storm
we are sheltered
we are forewarned
nothing can be changed except ourselves
NOTHING CAN BE CHANGED EXCEPT OURSELVES
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 11:56 am
 
Mallpunk sucks. Maybe that's what's wrong with USA.
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:31 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
You would know....especially since Op. Ivy broke up before Hot Topics ever opened or Green Day had a video...but I wouldn't expect you to know that.
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:35 pm
 
....whoever the hell you are hiding behind yr annonymous and retarded Elvis handle.
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:36 pm
 
Oh man, this thread was going downhill fast until it turned around right at about 9:40 this morning.

RUBY RUBY RUBY RUBY SOHO!
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
Yeah, liberty spikes. Anyway, I'm on the federal dollar you know....and by that I mean CIA.

Someone else already noticed how Wiki sterilized the Franklin Cover Up:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163408.0


I just posted some Dag Nasty footage the other day...I'm keepin it real.


Also, Deep Throat was just a composite of many rumors inside the beltway...anyone who says they know who Deep Throat was or that they were Deep Throat is full of shit....but there are alot of rich philanthropists and politicians in D.C. who like to deep throat, that much is fact.
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:52 pm
 
Here's some mall punk for all the lovers:





Posted: Aug 16, 2011 12:55 pm
 
Personal favorites:

Posted: Aug 16, 2011 1:15 pm
 
The Queers with Wimpy singing is the only shit that is all that good...but that's the only part of their discography that's not considered mall punk....that's fucking stupid....

Thier best songs is "there are lots of pretty girls, Yes I want to live at the mall!"
Posted: Aug 16, 2011 4:31 pm
 
i love that record.
Posted: Aug 18, 2011 2:40 pm
 
Posted: Aug 18, 2011 2:58 pm
 
I'm movin' here:


A millionaire would be considered crazy for such a project, but this guy is merely eccentric...
Posted: Aug 18, 2011 8:46 pm
 
Posted: Aug 19, 2011 12:59 pm
 
No, it got terminal cancer before any of us were born
Posted: Aug 21, 2011 5:00 pm
 
Getting better? We're being reborn!

Gawd knows as what, but it's a new USA comin' at ya!
Posted: Aug 22, 2011 8:37 am
 
We'll be slaves to the apes dude. I can see where this is leading.

Best case scenerio, I'll have a midget slave....worst case scenerio I'll be a slave to a hairy ape.
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