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Posted: Apr 20, 2011 3:29 pm
 
Can someone explain to me why refill ink cartridges cost more than the damned printer? I find it more economical to buy a new printer than refills every year and am winding up with an elephant's graveyard of these fucking things.
Posted: Apr 20, 2011 4:46 pm
 
Its the razor/blade model. Get you hooked on the hardware so that you come back for the consumables.

But, they got wise to the idea of people buying whole printers just for the cartridges, and now only partially fill the starter cartridge. Sigh...
Posted: Apr 20, 2011 7:35 pm
 
I just spent a bunch of money on a printer (back in the day when I had it).
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 9:18 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
I worked for Xerox for three years...that's how the economy is designed...ask me why the bread industry destroys it's surplus every day? Why do they destroy the surplus of oranges, corn, beans? It's because the market would crash....we produce enough food that no on in the world should starve, but people are still starving. The world market is controlled by whatever countries are in power, basically us and China...mostly China at this point.

This is the kind of shit MRR is supposed to explain to people. Krogers policy is to dump lie on the bread in the dumpsters so bums and also the general public can't get it for free. I worked there for a few years also.


What I did to beat the system, is I got a dot-matrix printer...the ribbons last forever and ever....the quality is very good depending on what you're using it for...they're specialized industrial machines...that's why they're still used for receipts and anything where there's alot of data....the ribbons last for years and years...therefore dot matrix printers are substantially more expensive to buy...but worth it in the long run....I bought mine used from a company that refurbishes electronics.

I was doing alot of stuff for the label, and even considered doing a record cover or zine on one...I wanted to call it Dot Matrix.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 9:22 am
 
The way Xerox contracts basically works is departments rent these huge xerox machines for dirt cheap, and just have to pay for supplies...if the department is realy savvy, they refuse that plan, and sign a contract to buy the Xerox machine and then have a maintenance contract where they pay 100 bucks a month for ink...

It just depends on what your needs are but that's how it work...buy the machine and get a discount on toner....or rent the machine and pay more money for toner....those are the options.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 9:27 am
 
Either way it's complete bullshit for the consumer...you're choosing the best of two evils and they got you where they want you....it's called capitolism.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 9:56 am
 
Also I'm going to add that it's super cheap to produce toner...especially compared to a printer. But think of it like the XBox 360; they actually loose money on the machine itself but make it all back through the software.

Printer companies don't make much money off of their general machines, it's all about the cartridges that are dirt cheap to produce and create a huge profit margin.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 11:20 am
 
Also I'm going to add


oh really?
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 11:21 am
 
really! Because I'm an expert in the field.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 11:49 am
 
I buy bulk ink and refill my cartridges with a syringe.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 12:14 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
That can fuck up your printer....I use generic cartridges, but it's true that they aren't as good and cause trouble over time. Given how cheap the machines are though, that's another viable solution. That's how it used to be done in Xerox machines...they would ship them large tubes of toner and would have to poor it into the cartridges....it was messy business. I did it when I worked at copy shops back in the day.

But if you have simple one or two color documents to do, dot matrix is the way to go....
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 1:56 pm
 
I worked at copy shops back in the day.

Is that where the CIA did the brain implant on you?
www.cia-put-scanners-into-brains-of-copyshop-employees-conspiracy-page .org
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 2:46 pm
 
Don't fuck w/ me man.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 8:50 pm | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
That can fuck up your printer....I use generic cartridges, but it's true that they aren't as good and cause trouble over time.

{snippage}

But if you have simple one or two color documents to do, dot matrix is the way to go....



I use ye olden Epson Stylus Color for making films for screenprinting so dot matrix won't do. Lazer printers are pretty lame for that too, the heat makes the film go a little dimensionally unstable.

I've had problems with knockoff cartridges in the past, but the bulk ink I get works great!

In a bind, I tried it in the HP that I print receipts with and that did not work at all. Eventually got some of the HP formula bulk ink from same supplier and it works like a dream too.
Posted: Apr 21, 2011 9:02 pm
 
Sometimes I think about getting a continuous flow bulk system so I won't have to bust out the needle anymore, but never have bit the bullet.
Posted: Apr 22, 2011 7:36 am
 
What do you mean films for screen printing? You mean black and white transparacies for photo emulsion process? Well yeah that's specialised, I wouldn't use a dot matrix for that.

Dotmatrix printers are crude as shit, they're realy only profiscient for text, but if you don't mind crude graphics, which I don't...they're fine.
Posted: Apr 25, 2011 8:41 pm
 
What do you mean films for screen printing? You mean black and white transparacies for photo emulsion process?

Yep.

I would consider dot matrix for doing my receipts, but since I just got a pint of ink that'll probably last 5 years in my receipt printer I'm gonna use that up first.

I wonder if either of my printers has the killswitch counter chip like in that documentary "The Lightbulb Conspiracy".
Posted: Apr 26, 2011 7:33 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
I wonder if either of my printers has the killswitch counter chip like in that documentary "The Lightbulb Conspiracy".

This sounds interesting...is this like about how transistors don't work in the event of nuclear fall out? Because that's true. The cold war saved tubes.

I would still like some volunteer writers to do a couple issues of Dot Matrix...I'm not even stuck on that name, I just want to do a dot matrix zine.
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