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Posted: Dec 10, 2010 2:20 pm
 
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 3:22 pm
 
all time favorite singer.
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 3:23 pm
 
1967 Live in Europe. That's the album to have.

listening now.
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 3:27 pm | Edited by: Mark Beef
 
all time favorite singer
I think I prefer Sam Cooke, but it's neck and neck with Lee Moses somewhere in there as well
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 4:39 pm
 
My favorite singer of all-time too ...

I wrote a lyric w/ "3:25pm December 10, 1967" in it ... thanks for reminding me!
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 4:57 pm
 
I'd take sam too except his material can't touch others; howard tate is up there; I like northern soul a lot: david ruffin, marvin, smokey. The first singer of the manhattans was George smith. He leaves me breathless. Otis is a top 5 guy. Blue is top twenty lp for me. Solomon and Jackie have meant much to me as well. OV wright and al green are top 5. And that's not even counting women.

Oh btw: JB is the greatest singer of 20oth century

Posted: Dec 10, 2010 5:32 pm
 
I'd say JB was the greatest musical entertainer...I don't think his voice is as strong as Sam's or Otis'. And that's my point, material shmaterial.... Sam Cooke could sing every single GWB speech ever and I'd listen and love it
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 6:03 pm
 
i agree with most all y'all but surprised nobody mentioned james carr and arthur alexander. long live otis and jb. none of them would be anything without sam. also, bobby womack: fly me to the moon, in other words...
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 6:50 pm
 
jb would be nothing without sam cooek? you sure about that?
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 6:57 pm
 
I like northern soul a lot:

for gawdsakes, you're american, don't call it that!!!
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 7:22 pm
 
americans have to call it that to differentiate it from the good stuff.
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 8:09 pm
 
sam cooke would be nothing without the beatles
Posted: Dec 11, 2010 8:07 am
 
i agree with most all y'all but surprised nobody mentioned james carr and arthur alexander. long live otis and jb. none of them would be anything without peter guralnick. also, bobby womack: fly me to the moon, in other words...
Posted: Dec 11, 2010 8:49 am
 
ha!
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 10:44 am | Edited by: roche
 
americans have to call it that to differentiate it from the good stuff.

Ha ha ... much agreed!
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 12:50 pm
 
yeah, but you'll note Baker the professor used a colon: ruffin, marvin, smokey and that ain't northern soul in any language.

i find the whole misnomer annoying, kinda like looking at a moutful of english teeth
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 7:43 pm
 
i've never really known what "northern soul" refers to. i figured like chicago and philly, or something? like corny-ass jumpsuits and stuff. like the o'jays or the chi-lites, and "rubberband man" and the like.

although i must say i actually love the chi-lites and listen to them all the time. there's just might be my favorite version of "heard it through the grapevine," as weird as that might sound.
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 7:44 pm
 
"their's."
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 7:49 pm
 
btw i simply meant soul singers who were from the north. you know, like blah blah blah

as to term northern soul that you all are using--i have seen it many times but never knew what it meant, colons or otherwise.

and i see no reason to brag that you dislike curtis, p funk, stevie, or marvin. oh well
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 8:08 pm
 
and i see no reason to brag that you dislike curtis, p funk, stevie, or marvin. oh well



cause that's EXACTLY what everybody in here was doing
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 8:23 pm
 
not everyone. never said that. not close. a couple. can you read?



but thank god they have such an intelligent advocate as you

nice caps too!
Posted: Dec 13, 2010 9:02 pm
 
i simply meant soul singers who were from the north. you know, like blah blah blah


what a dumb reason to use that terminology.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 1:02 am
 
so wait, what does it really mean?
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 3:09 am
 
not everyone. never said that. not close. a couple. can you read?

please show me one person who said that in this thread, baker

CAN YOU READ?
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:32 am
 
It refers to soul music that is popular in the north of England. So, it doesn't refer to a region of the US. It's kind of like calling the Beatles a "western invasion" band because kids in San Diego enjoy listening to them. Not all of it is bad but it does tend to fall on the overproduced side. Definitely heavy on the Gordy style and anything raw is kind of a no no. Some things that I like cross into this area but as a genre it's a bit boring. Even goofier is the term Belgian Popcorn, which is anything that sounds like Fever, but isn't fever. On the whole though, this genre's bating average is a bit higher as the songs tend to be minor key and spooky.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:52 am
 
goofier yet, is "Titty Shakers"
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 9:08 am
 
Even goofier is the term Belgian Popcorn, which is anything that sounds like Fever, but isn't fever. On the whole though, this genre's bating average is a bit higher as the songs tend to be minor key and spooky.

i love the popcorn sound, and i gotta say, the scene is more fascinating than northern, mostly because the music is cooler, and partialy cuz it happened in belgium.

titty shakers = las vegas grind. why that guy (martin?) changed the name of a sound that tim warren coined in the mid-80s, based on similar sounding r&b and go-go instros is a bit strange. i guess he figured he had enough of those records to warrant renaming it. whatever you call it, it's still, and always will be, my favorite style of party record.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 10:21 am
 
hey baker you failed to mention that by your evidence bazooka joe, rocke, and nickg also all dislike sun ra, mick collins, and michael jackson

what is that okay with you?
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 12:12 pm
 
"Northern Soul" fans disdain Motown. too common. The rarer the better.
Ain't that just too English? (except for their meat).

I would love to see a band like the D. Cobras do an all-motown covers LP.
OK, that oughta draw the Cobras haters out of the woodworks.

hey Beef, Jackie Wilson wrote the book. AND he was one mean welterweight.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 1:41 pm
 
"Northern Soul" fans disdain Motown. too common. The rarer the better

The funny thing is, a lot of that stuff sounds, to me, like...second-rate Motown.

I love obscure comps of old whatever as much as anyone, but on the other hand...there's a reason why the hits were popular...
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 1:58 pm
 
egg-zactly.

like why the Black Lips are so much more popular than the Bare Wires...
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 2:00 pm
 
I dig the popcorn tracks too. I always liked those kind of records, I guess we would always say it sounded spooky or "like little Willie John". I guess we didn't really have a name for it. There are plenty of Motown and Gordy titles that go for big money in the Northern scene but it's true that they lean towards smaller label rarities. However, most of it sounds slick, the kind of tracks producers of the era were hoping would become crossover pop hits. Like Berry Gordy had done. I'm not knocking Motown, plenty of spectacular records especially when it comes to dancing but there are many Detroit labels that exemplify the quality of talent the city had without the massive amount of polish. That said, the Miracles are one of my all time favorite groups.
The genre I've noticed sky-rocketing lately is teen. Who would've ever thought any of these records would be worth more than a couple bucks each? Record collectors are running out of cool records to collect.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 2:59 pm
 
greg, don't know if youj've heard this one, but one of my current faves is "sugar lump" by kenny williams on carlton:

Posted: Dec 14, 2010 4:22 pm
 
Northern Soul = Anything that a room full of middle aged British dudes can shuffle around the dance floor to. "Dudes" only on the dance floor. I gotta love'em though, they paid for my recording studio and are about to have me driving the streets of Memphis again!

Belgian Popcorn, which is anything that sounds like Fever
This description couldn't get anymore detailed if you tried.

Been feeling this og version motown related single lately.


Record collectors are running out of cool records to collect.
De Barge/Morris Day sounding private press turds going for upwards of 3 grand now days baffles my mind! Who is paying for that crap and what are they doing with it?
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 5:59 pm
 
Record collectors are running out of cool records to collect.
De Barge/Morris Day sounding private press turds going for upwards of 3 grand now days baffles my mind! Who is paying for that crap and what are they doing with it?



Hopefully they're making them into bowls.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:12 pm | Edited by: greg O
 
Never heard that "sugar lump" track, pretty cool. As was the Johnny and Jackey. Produced by Harvey Fuqua who died this past year, man what an ear that guy had, not to mention a stellar voice. I pick up anything on Tri-Phi or Harvey if it's cheap. Check out the Spinners early one on Tri-phi "heebie jeebies", not the same song as the Little Richard song but killer as well. You guys know this Billy Storm record "educated fool"? produced by Lee Hazlewood and arranged by Jack Nitsche!
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:16 pm
 
Been feeling this og version motown related single lately.


god that is such good music.
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:23 pm
 
pfff. "theirs."
Posted: Dec 14, 2010 8:44 pm
 
Produced by Harvey Fuqua who died this past year, man what an ear that guy had, not to mention a stellar voice. I pick up anything on Tri-Phi or Harvey if it's cheap. Check out the Spinners early one on Tri-phi "heebie jeebies", not the same song as the Little Richard song but killer as well.

fuq-u, a!

yeah, harvey rules. picked up his first nite-liters lp a month ago for a quarter. top shelf deep funk all the way til the last two songs. have had heebie-jeebies forever. "swing it, joe!" still on the hun for the jackie and johnnie "someday..." on tri-phi. it got spun at my wedding. first time i ever heard it. amazing.
Posted: Dec 15, 2010 1:42 pm
 
the talent and music out of Detroit was and is always awesome, and incredibly varied. if success was copying the "Motown Sound" it worked for hi energy rock as well.
with so many record companies, how can you go wrong?

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=11323995842687 2347643.000492c279ce94f4b9930&z=12

Sorry Memphis, LA, NY, Manchester ... y'all got nothing on THE MOTOR CITY
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 10:35 am
 
I'm not doggin' on the whole 'genre', but I accumulated a bunch of Northern Soul comps all around one short period of time ... after listening to them & find only about 10-15% of the content as anything really catchy or interesting, I strayed away from anything tagged w/ that moniker. A lot of 'rare' stuff, but who cares ... too watered-down & pedestrian for my liking.

That being said, there's some cool documentary you can find on Youtube about the Wigan Casino ... I'd thought the Northern Soul term came from the 60's mod scene or something, but it seems more like mid-70's judging from the pants on these Limey fuckers ...
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 4:05 pm
 
I believe tuff enough was Otis' first single.
Posted: Dec 16, 2010 5:21 pm
 
Never got into Northern Soul because the price of 45s was prohibitive. I also didn't like the general slickness of the songs. Nevertheless, as I get older, I sort of dig some stuff that might tangentially be associated with Northern Soul. "Bernadette" by the Four Tops is one of my favorite songs of late -- if only because it's the apotheosis of Motown production -- over-the-top vocals/lyrics, bass line that's impossible to replicate, etc.

Not to mention that split second of silence before Levi Stubbs yells out "Bernadette!"...

hi cost of vinyl meant i've heard the "Northern Soul" on the CD comps -- Kent is always the best, usually 90%+ excellent. and Croasdell also does them by genres/lables, not just by the values assigned by DJ's who want to "floorpack".
but even a guy like Dave Godin (RIP) ran his string out and was putting on Motown & blues tracks by Vol. IV of his "Deep Soul" series (a descriptive phrase and meaning he claims to have invented)
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 10:32 am
 
"7 Rooms Of Gloom," "Bernadette," and "Reach Out" are three songs i'll never get sick of. Levi was the man. so rockin'. "7 Rooms..." WoWoW. i love that song.

the pause before the final "bernadette" can't really be topped by anything as far as i'm concerned. the best feeling is when you're singing along and you totally NAIL it. that song puts me in spasms.
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 10:38 am
 
i was waiting for this topic to turn to the Tops...are they considered Northern Soul? i love about one LP's worth of stuff, but after that it gets pretty lame. but the early hits are so great, and TOUGH!
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 12:00 pm
 
the Tops...are they considered Northern Soul?

Northern Soul is dance music, so it's about songs, not groups or singers. While a side or two by the Four Tops may get a spin at the club, they're still thought of as a Motown act.

The Four Tops post-Motown work on ABC-Dunhill is worth a listen (unless, you just want more tunes for your Big Chill mix) They stayed in Detroit when Motown split for California, and cut some deep records, that weren't disco and charted some 45s as well (Are You Man Enough, is maybe the best known?)
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 1:41 pm
 
three songs i'll never get sick of

i'm partial to "shake me wake me" love that pleading tone Levi hits.
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 1:43 pm
 
Four Tops live at the Roostertail hits it (not available digital, i don't believe)

For some reason the Roostertail always brought out the best (better than 20 Grand recordings) in Motown talent. maybe it was the ore boats going by on the river?
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 6:24 pm
 
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 6:45 pm
 
I'm never quite sure what gets the Northern Soul nod and what doesn't.

It's complicated. Charlie Rich wanted to play Jazz, the record companies wanted Country. Apparently, they were both wrong - he's Northern Soul!
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 6:48 pm
 
I pretty sure Charlie Rich has Popcorn sides as well as Titty-Shakers, which proves him greater than the Beatles and Stones combined.
Posted: Dec 17, 2010 7:42 pm
 
a post today on another forum for record geeks that i frequent:

Ok, here we go. While not all strictly popcorn tunes these are some of my all time fav's in that vein. As Jakatajive states sometimes it's hard to tell where one man's popcorn becomes anothers New Breed R&B/Vegas Grind/Northern Soul/Rockabilly.

http://www.divshare.com/download/13539879-e03

Ricky Nelson - I wanna be loved (Imperial 45)
Dav Kip - Yeah my baby loves me (Coral 45)
Gene Vincent - Crazy beat (Capitol 45)
Steve Alaimo & the Redcoats - Blue Fire (Imperial 45)
Bobby Darin - Similau (Atlantic 45)
Adriano Celentano - Basta (Joy 45)
Richard Antony - Novelle Vague (Columbia Ep)
Yvonne Baker & the Sensations - Eyes (Argo 45)
Jo-Ann Campbell - I really, really love you (Gone 45)
Dora Hall - Hooci-Koochi (Premier 45)
Betty O'Brien - She'll be gone (Liberty 45)
Sonny Til & the Orlories - Hey little woman (Parkers 45)
Plas Johnson - Downstairs (Capitol 45)
Noble Watts - Teen scene (Arrawak 45)
De-Fenders - Taco wagon (Del-Fi Lp)
Bobby Sharp - Baby girl of mine (Wing 45)
Clyde McPhatter - I'll love you till the cows come home (Mercury 45)
Sonny Day - Beyond a shadow of a doubt (Abc 45)
Robins - Truble (Push 45)
Corky Ray with Audiofaze - Whirlwind (Brent 45)
Johnny Fisher - Tell me yes (Emmy 45)
Posted: Dec 18, 2010 1:55 pm
 
Dora Hall?
Posted: Dec 18, 2010 9:04 pm
 
yeah, weird. paper cup queen. decent version of "sloopy" somewhere on reinbeau.
Posted: Dec 20, 2010 12:34 pm
 
so Charlie Rich is the fountainhead of all music?
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