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Posted: Oct 9, 2010 5:05 pm
 
Rock Rebels "Clash" Were Corporate Puppets

October 9, 2010
"I believe there is an agenda at work in the system in which we live which will always say: 'YOU DO THIS OR WE WON'T SUPPORT YOU'.Red painted Cla5h small.jpg"
----Vince White, guitarist, The Clash




By David Richards
(for henry makow.com)

Picture New Yorks' Shea Stadium full to the rafters, a sea of 60,000 people swirling and shouting. Four Englishman take to the stage clothed in guerrilla punk attire consisting of jackboots, berets and cut jeans. They start playing aggressive punk songs. The crowd erupts.

They are The Clash, one of the biggest bands of 1980's, with large commercial and critical success in Europe and the States.

The Clash were sold as, 'the only band that matters,' a claim based on their raw and experimental sound, anti-establishment attitude and socialist sloganeering.

In 1983, the band's guitarist Mick Jones quit and auditions were held to find a replacement. His replacement was Vince White, an angry young punk living in a bedsit in London, with no previous experience in the music industry.

White served as the band's guitarist during their tumultuous final few years, which culminated in what is viewed as their worst album, "Cut the Crap" (1985.)

He was taken behind the scenes and saw how things really work. He relays his experiences in his book 'Out of Control' which apart from being a compelling story, reveals how a group viewed as authentic and intellectual can be controlled by corporate puppeteers.

The band did not write their own songs. Their socialist ideals were just marketing. Manager Bernie Rhodes ran the group like a dictator.

Painful for Clash fans, singer and punk icon Joe Strummer is portrayed like a Geisha in the morning: a flawed mortal practicing a morally dubious trade.


What follows is my interview with Vince.


You say you were treated as a wage slave and the band was, 'an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship that would have shocked Stalin.' What led you to make these comments?

My experience was one in which attempts were made to mind control me. To subvert my sense of my own self and my own reality. To subject me to the will of others and their own agenda. That's what control freaks do.

In the book you and the band are terrorized night and day by manager Bernie Rhodes. He seems to be in complete control of every aspect of the band. Was he more than a manager?

Yes, quite clearly he was. A manager is supposed to manage bands, ie. operate 'in-between' the artists and the assholes that flog the recordings. Bernie overstepped and believed he could be an artist too. So you end up with a bureaucratic mind thinking they can be 'artistic' and the results are clearly embarrassing.

NONE of ['Cut the Crap"] was created by the band. The 'band' played on the recordings but everyone was TOLD what to do. Even Joe [Strummer] himself was under the thumb. What an asshole! He really let himself stoop to that level! I have NO RESPECT for that. Sorry. It's not nice to speak ill of the dead but there you go.

The Clash are viewed as fiercely socialist. How sincere were these beliefs?

Socialism is the means by which the financial oligarchy can subvert the minds of the populace and control them. It's that fucking simple. A child of 7 could get this. Only most people are so wedded into the system and will ignore the facts in favor of their own personal gain. Socialism is the death of the human race.

And I'm not fucking joking and let me just say I don't like the Chinese. I don't like their fat ugly faces. I wish they'd fucking fuck off. There are hundreds of these cunts in Portobello Road these days, where I live. That's another thing the Clash promoted: multiculturalism. I don't buy it. I'm English and I don't like foreigners. Why are aliens allowed to flood in here?

Britain and the United States are the greatest countries to have ever existed in human history and now it's downhill for all of us from here on out. The New World Order is an open door policy. Globalism. Our culture is being destroyed by immigration. We're finished. By that, I mean the human race is finished because the only hope for mankind is the Judeo-Christian ethic. Everything else, including Islam, Buddhism, Marxism., etc is total fucking shit.

By making socialism Punk, do you think The Clash were successful in selling socialist ideology to Western youth?

I think they just reinforced what was already there. Leftist ideology was so prevalent at that time. If, like me, you didn't approve of leftist ideas you were immediately branded a fascist. The Clash simply jumped on that bandwagon to become successful. But whether there's more to it is hard to say. But for sure, Joe Strummer's daddy wasn't a bank robber. He was a British diplomat. He worked for the British government. I heard Mick's father was in the SAS. Paul's family were members of the Communist party....

What would you say to people who believe 'the cream always rises to the top' in the entertainment industry?

There are certain aspects of performing like singing ability and songwriting and a general human spirit which are necessary to be successful. Unfortunately, apart from that, I believe there is an agenda at work in the system in which we live which will always say: 'YOU DO THIS OR WE WON'T SUPPORT YOU'.

The end result is that the public wants what the public gets.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 5:21 pm
 
Interesting interview. I'd be pretty disillusioned if I played on "Cut the Crap" as well.

The band did not write their own songs.
Only on "Cut the Crap"; Rhodes has song writing credits on the album jacket.

Otherwise, that shit is a blatant lie. Strummer's lyrics are as easily identifiable and unique as Dylan's.

I love Strummer and The Clash. I never cared that they don't have the Goner stamp of approval.
London Calling will ALWAYS be my favorite album.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 5:32 pm
 
I love the Clash.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 6:14 pm
 
To be taken with a grain of salt.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 6:48 pm
 
The Clash could be revealed to be the worst kind of captialist and I wouldn't care. They wrote London Calling and that album was a huge deal to me.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 7:57 pm
 
still trying to make it through sandinista... i think i'm on side 14.
Posted: Oct 9, 2010 10:11 pm
 
Black Market Clash (1977!) and their first record are good. everything else is totally not for me.

and i stand by not digging reggae. yuck.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 10:24 am | Edited by: bazooka joe
 
I never cared that they don't have the Goner stamp of approval.


there's a goner stamp of approval? i though everyone here had their own opinions. sorry. i've been indifferent about the clash since boyhood. only recently have i been more exposed to them more than ever before, working part time in shop where they get played enough that i like them even less now.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 10:30 am
 
reggae rules!
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 11:18 am
 

there's a goner stamp of approval? i though everyone here had their own opinions. sorry.


Bazooka, I was just kidding about that. Jay told me that when he started playing music, Eric's advice was to hate The Clash. Zac also doesn't like them. Nor does Scrogers.

The "stamp of approval" bit was supposed to be a friendly jab at friends; I've taken a good amount of shit over the years for being a fan.

Scrogers quote from Octoberfest party last night (Thanks, Cort and Erika-we had a blast!!):
"Bachman Turner Overdrive is to The Clash what The Clash are to the Greatful Dead."
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 11:52 am
 
Jay told me that when he started playing music, Eric's advice was to hate The Clash.

great advice!


Zac also doesn't like them. Nor does Scrogers.

i knew there was something i liked about that guy.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 1:05 pm
 
well, if it was "the boring story of the guy who played guitar on the last shitty clash record" that probably wouldnt sell alot of books. if the band were such corporate puppets why would they replace mick jones with some shithead punk who had no experience in the music industry? i do believe they were bandwagon jumpers with a shitty bass player and not much worth mentioning after their first couple records.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 2:20 pm
 
Eric, Zac, scrogers... Those guys are FAGS!
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 7:12 pm
 
The "stamp of approval" bit was supposed to be a friendly jab at friends


Tommy loves taking friendly jabs at freinds, like accusing them of sucking cock at rest stops.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 9:25 pm
 
why bring up a point about the clash that everyone knew decades ago?
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 10:12 pm
 
Some of the saddest scenes ever in a doc....In "Let's Rock Again", they show Joe handing out flyers in the street. He also crashes a radio station unannounced to pimp his gig.
Posted: Oct 10, 2010 11:38 pm
 
shitty bass player

thank god I'm well, well past age 17 so I don't have to knock your sconnie teeth out.

anyhow, if there's anything solid / redeeming about the Clash it's the rhythm section.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 1:05 am
 
listen to anything prior to their self titled lp to hear what a bass wizzard paul siminon was...

Paul Simonon: I couldn't play an instrument so Mick sort of taught me the rudiments. And from then on I sort of used a bit of my own ideas and which was like to get these stickers and write the notes and stick them of my bass on the neck so I could see where to put my fingers.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 1:10 am
 
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 7:37 am
 
Let's see, he's a capitalist christian, racist who joined a socialist, godless group of multiculturalists. Now he's written a book about how they sold out their beliefs. Who's the asshole here? If it were April I would say this is a stunt but I guess it's real.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:09 am
 
Joe Strummer is my hero...

MRR constantly used to report on the contradictions of The Clash's later years as "sell outs"...

Then a couple years ago everyone was surprised to find out that he was into folk music and Woody Guthrie untill the Sex Pistols hit, like it was blasphemy for a punk-icon to be mostly influenced by an anti-fascist folk singer....stupid shit...they were musicians and their hearts were in the right place.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 12:13 pm | Edited by: eric o
 
Eric's advice was to hate The Clash.

Really? I don't remember that. Truth be told, the 1st Clash lp was the first punk lp I had - brother gave it to me for a birthday present. We listened to "White Riot" a bunch that day. I went on to own everything up until Sandinista. Yep, even Sandinista... used for 4 bucks, but I had it.

If I did say that I can only think I was trying to steer young Jay towards more US raw punk (Pagans, Modds, Freestone, etc- he was already into the Dead Boys) rather than UK dress up punk like Clash & Sex Pistols, who always had bigger "agendas" even if they were good/great/sucked whatever and always seemed to be trying too hard. Not Johnny Moped, though, and we weren't digging into UK DIY yet.

For the record: I like the Clash okay! Good riddim section, too!
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 12:17 pm
 
First Clash LP was so different!
loved it then, the thing broke the mold.
it just sounded different.

but make no mistake, they wanted to be big and sell lots of records, not change the world.
and anybody who sez Strummer's heart was not in the right place is full of it.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 1:16 pm
 
apologies for the digression, but i'm hijacking this thread for a second, because greg is here! greg cartwright, Broken Things is one of the best songs i've ever heard. godhead.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 1:31 pm
 
I can understand why some might not like them but they made some great records and that's really all that matters. This guy sounds like a bitter, xenophobic old man. Fuck him.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 3:34 pm
 
I for one like pretty much everything the Clash put out, in large part due to their experimentation ...even if you're not their biggest fan you've got to give them some credit for not banging out the same thing over and over again like countless other bands....
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 3:57 pm
 
even if you're not their biggest fan you've got to give them some credit for not banging out the same thing over and over again like countless other bands....


check out this horrible crap. it's hella different than that last horrible crap!
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 4:21 pm
 
Cut the Crap!
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 4:23 pm
 
I always amused by people who will suck the dick of "artists" that have barely put out anything, yet rag on more prolific ones who occasionally stray into mediocrity.....
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 4:23 pm | Edited by: Uptight White
 
The Clash had already blown their wad and were considered an AOR staple by the time I was getting into heavily punk/HC/metal, so their politics weren't even an afterthought. I liked a few of their songs, but was never a fan like the older punks that revered them with an intensity I could never understand.

Vince White is a prick for cashing in by selling out a band that plucked him from obscurity gave him a chance to tour the world, cut a record, and be a big shot for awhile. I was a huge CRASS fan, and Steve Ignorant's reversion back to his working class nationalist roots doesn't bother me in slightest, and if the Clash meant something to me, this wouldn't change anything.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 4:25 pm
 
I'm English and I don't like foreigners.

hahahaha, white pride, for england...
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 5:49 pm | Edited by: Cole
 
Jay told me that when he started playing music, Eric's advice was to hate The Clash.


Really? I don't remember that.


Dude, you have to own that. I love The Clash, and you say you like 'em.

Still, the story of a young, talented Jay, being told that is just too cool.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 7:23 pm
 
listen to anything prior to their self titled lp to hear what a bass wizzard paul siminon was...

yeah, you're right. nobody worships r'n'r primitivism around here. no-sir. where would the Oblivians be today without their sheet music?
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:00 pm
 
I always amused by people who will suck the dick of "artists" that have barely put out anything, yet rag on more prolific ones who occasionally stray into mediocrity.....

gimme a fuckin' break. one great single from an unknown obviously outwieghs the "importance" of some guys that were a cash cow for the new wave. i don't hear anyone complaining about the ramones.
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:07 pm
 
Buy my mixed tape!
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:23 pm
 
i don't hear anyone complaining about the ramones.

Well, we could discuss some of their later records but why bother...
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 8:37 pm
 
is that the band that backed up dee dee king? i always thought it was a dj
Posted: Oct 11, 2010 9:15 pm
 
i don't hear anyone complaining about the ramones.

If only they had stopped when The Clash did!
Posted: Oct 12, 2010 12:02 am
 
yeah, you're right. nobody worships r'n'r primitivism around here. no-sir. where would the Oblivians be today without their sheet music?

oblivians??? never heard of 'em, i'll have to check that shit out. thanks for the heads up.

regardless, a shitty bass player is a shitty bass player. where would the oblivians be today without their shitty bass player?

ps: paul siminon SUX!!! up the PUNX!!!
Posted: Oct 12, 2010 8:19 am
 
Well U.K. punk was always based on fashion...they talk about it in "Garageland"..."my bummin slummin friends, they all got new boots, and someone just asked me if the group would wear suits?"

Speaking of which, when did that song first get released? I don't remember it untill SuperBlackMarketClash, which had alot of dub bsides on it. Sure it's on the The Clash CD, but when I bought the SuperBlackMarketClash cassette, I still read liner notes, and it mentioned something about how it wasn't released in the U.S. or visa versa.

Anyway they kept it positive, they embraced anything that helped out the common man and empowered the people...that's making money the right way.
Posted: Oct 12, 2010 8:38 am
 
If this is going to boil into UK punk vs. USA punk debate...I'll just say that sure U.K. punk was based on "ideas" but any scene in the U.K. is more idealistic than in the U.S. because it's so much smaller and new fads catch on like wildfire.

In the U.S. we're all more isolated geographicaly and we may find a record packed with social meaning, usually obscure by the time it reaches us, so unless the social meaning is over the top it has little impact on us as individuals.

Just consider the blues, in the U.K. kids knew that they were listening to white kids reworking the blues, they knew that Elvis was copying blues culture even, in the U.S. they just thought they were listening to this brand new thing called rocknroll.

England is alot smaller and they were observers of American culture as a whole. Logisticaly they have alot of advantages to us in the States.

I understand why alot of muscians won't even bother touring in the U.S. it doesn't make very good sense in alot of ways.
Posted: Oct 12, 2010 8:46 am
 
America is very back woods...we have t.v. telling us what's "normal" but we're all very isolated culturaly. I think that's why bigotry is so powerful in this country. In England you might have a friend telling you about this new music or political movement....it's much easier to trust and accept something if it comes from friends....but a redneck in Alabama during the 60's had no motivation to treat the black man as an equal, exept for some "northern asshole" on T.V. telling them that it's the law.
Posted: Oct 13, 2010 1:02 am
 
Clash at 3:07

Posted: Oct 13, 2010 3:13 am
 
bradx, where's my fucking pizza?
Posted: Oct 13, 2010 8:39 am
 
I still don't understand the argument here...The Clash played rocknroll....you get rich, you probbably get lazy, but if you're smart you never loose your sense of what's right or wrong. Who should The Clash have given all of their money too? England? Russia? They invested their money in causes they believed in as far as I can tell.

Consider the life of this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vysotsky
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 4:26 pm
 
Don't mind the Clash... hate their fans. I'll exclude Tommy because he doesn't belong to a "boot crew" that only hangs out at Murphy's and claims to be Irish.
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 9:36 pm
 
I like Guinness, though. And Bubble Gum Cock.
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 9:51 pm
 
he does like cock
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 9:56 pm
 
a "boot crew" that only hangs out at Murphy's and claims to be Irish.



C-ya Goner dudes! I've found a new scene. Do they have a message board?
Posted: Oct 14, 2010 10:02 pm
 
you're a message board!
Posted: Oct 15, 2010 1:21 am
 
I remember buying my 1st clash record "Black Market Clash" and thinking to my self...."This is bullshit", and I threw it away.
Posted: Oct 15, 2010 1:25 am
 
Brittish "punk" is stupid.
Posted: Oct 15, 2010 8:07 am
 
Alot of Clash fans are Republican....maybe they're attracted to Vince White, or just plain stupid.

I realy don't get conservativism in rocknroll of any form.

No one is rocknroll by echoing the dogma of the old guard.

And yes real Rocknroll is subversive and rebellious by it's very nature, since from it's first incarnation it was ripping off and emulating the taboo black culture and before that even, rocknroll simply was a product of said taboo race culture.

Country and Western even was either a melding of mexican with folk and blues in Texas, or the evolution of European ballads and blues by hill folk in my neck of the woods. They were bootleggers; criminals by mainstream American standards. The establishment had to flood the worst regions and created 2 lakes now known as "Land Between the Lakes", which is where
about half my family hails from.

My point is that conservativism has no place in Rocknroll and republicans should go back and listen to the music of their own culture....the only problem is that most talented artists tend to be realy fucking liberal and open minded, they just want to be left alone to focus on their own interests and think everyone else should be too.

That's why you got racist working class movements in England ripping off Jamaican skinhead culture, because they have no culture of their own, they're dumb fucks. All conservative fascists are dumb fucks. It's why you get the 5% Brazillian upperclass claiming that bossanova is their indigenous folk music, while trying to ignore the awesome, liberating force that is caribe culture.

Fascists have no culture of their own, they're only good at being bullys. They like to ape whatever art and music is out there, and distort it for propoganda purposes. They don't create anything new, they just oppress any foriegn influence they feel threatened by. They're all Edgar Hoover/Mussolini style closet cases or just plain stupid.

I've pretty much lost all tolerance for conservativism of any kind. I'm still cool with people who vote republican, but I just think to myself 'you poor dumb bastard, nobody wants to take your guns away, god knows you need some way to compensate for your little inbred brain or puny little dick.'

In this country I wish the Republicans would die off so we can take on the democratic party, but as long as mainstream politics insists I choose between two evils...I'll vote against the most dangerous, backwards, and oppressive one.


It's realy not a matter of branding anyone who isn't a leftist 'a fascist'...it's about maintaining the liberalism that this anti-fascist leftist rebel nation was founded on. Ben Franklin was a leftist, John Hancock was a leftist, John Adams was a leftist, everyone who signed the American Constitution was a leftist in their day.

Conservatives need to quit sucking eachothers dicks, and practice some of their own fucking dogma, for one, love it or leave it bitches.
Posted: Oct 15, 2010 12:33 pm
 
I feel that way about party politics, not just conservatives, Tiger.

Conservatives call liberals communists.
Liberals call Conservatives fascists.

Both sides are old gaurd propagandists. They need each other to keep this fake feud alive, so that they can claim that there are only TWO options for the future of government when the possibilities are truly limitless.

I got hipped to a government concept called "technocratic autocracy" where the purpose of commerce is seen to be as finding the best way to equip humanity to be self sufficient with sustainable technological solutions that are owned privately by citizens (and NOT groups of citizens).

Basically it's a throwback the self-reliant "gentleman farmer" culture that founded this country, as opposed to the children of the New Deal that inherited it.

The problem with technocratic autocracy is that it requires an even distribution of land and infrastructural resources amoung individuals so that individuals are capable of sustaining and prospering themselves through technology without needing to resort to government or religion.

Basically, 2 party politics is the politics of war, where excess resources are wasted in the manufacture, dissemination, and consuming of weapons designed to "hurt the other side, " whether they be of a ballistic or propaganda-based nature with the intent of creating an imaginary sense of "victory" in a static caste system.

Technocratic Autocracy uses excess resources to expand the usable available resources in a never ending cycle of exponential growth, as mankind has since it's evolution. This involves autonomous sea and space colonization, which, frankly, is the only frontier of new resources available to mankind anyway. This by definition demands the abolition of such propagand terms such as "conservative" and "liberal" which are merely cariacatured stereotypes of the infinitely varied politics of individuals.

I heard of the concept from Andrew Kidoo from NZ, where this is actually practiced beacause of their isolation from industrial complexes in Europe and the Americas.
Posted: Oct 15, 2010 2:44 pm
 
I feel that way about party politics, not just conservatives, Tiger.

Conservatives call liberals communists.
Liberals call Conservatives fascists.


Totally agree.

What passes for liberal in the US is conservative by most country's standards. Its a shame most of FDR's programs died with him.
Posted: Dec 4, 2012 10:27 pm
 
Blah blah blah. In arguably the worst decision in the history of The Clash (that is, after the decisions to sack Topper Headon and Mick Jones), pretty boy Vincent White is brought in to 'replace' a real musician, aka Jones. Pretty Boy then proceeds to not write a single song of note and deservedly goes down with the sinking ship. Fast forward decades later he smells the cash controversy sells and proceeds to milk that quick trick for all he can. It might carry a bit more weight if this guy had talent, but hell, I bet even I could write better songs than this tired and whinging 'rock rebel'. Clearly, Clash Version 2 got what they paid for.
Joe Strummer was a human like the rest of us? Really, Vince?! So what? The fact remains he was one of the greatest f***ing songwriters of the 20th century. And you are....? What's that Vince, Strummer didn't control the record companies?! Is this really news? But Vincey-boy, at least he tried to back up his politics by wrestling with his "corporate puppet-masters' to drop the price of his records to something more affordable (unlike say, the Rolling Stones). I saw the Clash live long before you joined the band, Vince, and they made sure I wasn't going to pay rock star prices. For that alone The Clash will always have my greatest respect.
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:02 am
 
You know today I was just thinking about how our government doesn't necessarily try to suppress information, as much as they just try to convolude the argument whenever they can....

My example is like The Teaparty spouting off all their shit about auditing the Federal Reserve and yadda yadda...all the stuff I basically believe in because in the 60's and 70's that's what the Far Left believed in, like The Weather Underground and Allen Ginsberg...

It's so weird to me that this conservative organization like the Tea Party made a name for itself by spouting off all these core beliefs of the Far Left, and yet no one can take them seriously because they're so staunchly Pro-Life and anti-Gay.....and on the other hand, the supposedly liberals in this country are totally ineffective and pretty much just focus on trendy social issues, which I do care about, but I'm more concerned with the shit the 60's lefties were fighting for.

It realy is just one huge mind fuck that pretty much defuses any significant action...

I liked your post Chris Hart.
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:50 am | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
Maybe that's not the best analogy, I was just batting it around in my head this morning....but there is a strong element of like Charles Manson type fuckedness in politics, like the baby boomers got old and scaired, so they are more conservative and oppressive, but at the same time they've become more radical in the name of "patriotism." It is very much like Tim Robbins movie, "Bob Roberts"...I think it addresses this weird phenomenon...like how skewed reality is in the political world. The "Right" is largely derived from the "Left" of yester year, and the contemporary Left is MIA...sure we have Occupy, how effective was that? But it's kind of like arguing about The Clash's politics, and how everything is skewed still, the smoke hasn't settled yet. Do you remember people getting pissed off when it came out that shortly before he started The Clash, strummer was a folk singer in the mold of Woody Guthrie? Made perfect sense to me, but some retard punks were genuinely offended by it.

Like maybe it's just the natural way of things, where things eventually turn into the opposite of whatever they originaly set out to be....
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:01 pm
 
WHO KILLED JOE STRUMMER?
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:14 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
You jest...but the government strongly perceives musicians as a threat and there is a long list of popular musicians they kept classified (resently declassified) files on....you can look them up yourself, not sure if The Clash were one of them.


But actually the radicalism in the Far Right, I think could more rightly be attributed to guys like Larry McDonald, good friend of Ron Paul....who was witnessing alot of the corruption going on in Washington, so in reaction starting adopting alot of the radical views of the Far Left, whether they knew it or not....I mean Tea baggers aren't Pro-Communism like the Weather Underground, I'm not either...but they are stock piling weapons like motherfuckers, in the name of an inevitable revolution or class war or some shit like that, they are every bit as outraged by the government....and are responcible for the majority of domestic terrorism we have seen since the mid 70's...
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:19 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
You know I'm talking about like Timothy McVeigh, as a radical Right Wing nut job...you don't hear to much out of the Lefties any more if at all...unless it's like some old hippie on talk radio or something....the Occupy Movement tried to avoid being classified as Lefties whenever they could...
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:15 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
I love Joe Strummer, one of the most powerfull performers I've ever seen, I've never seen anyone perform so seemingly in the moment.

People try to say they were hypocrits because they got rich and didn't take a vow of poverty, but why does that have to have any baring on the their art? Or message they're bringing awareness too? Communism is every bit the mind fuck that Capitolism is, and people distort it and shape it however they see fit; how badly the regular folk get screwed depends on how evil the folks in charge are.

It's like how folks hold a grudge against Martin Luther King because he was a sexaholic or something....preachers aren't supposed to be obsessed with sex, but actually it's not unusual in that culture, and Jack Kerouac even wrote a poem talking about the " (black) preacher on the make"...Toni Morrison has even written about it....people are only human....they do good, and sometimes they make mistakes or bad choices or don't live up to the ideal people put on them.....there is nothing inherently wrong or offensive about that....If someone can play me the speech where Martin Luther King denounces sexaholics and fornicators, I'll be like okay, he is a hypocrit, but that's doesn't change the ammount of good that he did. It's other people who are like, "he's a preacher-man he shouldn't be sleeping around."...they project their morality onto him...

People just need to take the blinders off, and live their own lives as best they can, because there truely are alot of sociopaths in the world...I feel like it's the Lovers vs. the Sociopaths, and this fight exists on all levels of society.

Strummer is one of the people you should be admiring...he isn't your fucking immaculate God, he is a man who had a good message....nobody is as perfect as some bullshit ideal others create about them in their own heads....

I'm bored at work entertaining myself thinking about this shit...hope no one minds.
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:36 pm
 
tldr
Posted: Dec 5, 2012 5:04 pm
 
Posted: Dec 6, 2012 4:16 am
 
Very good post, Tigerblinds.
Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:11 pm
 
I can't listen to Ted Nugents Cat Scratch Fever....it was only good when Motorhead covered it.
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 12:04 am
 
TB has an epic rant like that and gets a kudos?! I miss Nanne...
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 12:45 pm
 
I was thinkin the same thing....The eurotwat wouldve ranted HARD
and it wouldve been 2 pages of semi amusing back and forth incoherence.

Anyone else bitter angry and confusing enuff to tackle this issue?
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:11 pm
 
^^^^ Yes, Ted Nugent (see above).

In fact, do we have any proof that "Tigerblind" is NOT Ted Nugent???
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 2:18 pm | Edited by: tigerblinds
 
It's all speculation, I like to think that Nanne would have pointed out to you that my "rant" is written in a whimsical, self-inquiring tone, not an angry one, so technicaly it's not a rant.....yeah I believe that's what Nanne would have done.
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:27 pm
 
Ted, everything you say is a "rant". You should lay off the blood sports.
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 4:29 pm
 
i think it was practically unreadable, as usual.
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 6:23 pm
 
As the (self-proclaimed) biggest Goner Clash fan, all I have to say is: Wang Dang Sweet Poontang.
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 6:49 pm | Edited by: Tango Fistula
 
I like the Clash...

They come from an era where "rock music" was still important to alot of regular types....

Now it's a music elbowed to the fringes with Jazz and Blues....

Luckily it's been replaced in the national mindset with so called "country" music and computer generated virtual torch ballads
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 6:55 pm
 
the nuge didn't kill the clash -- Diamond Dave killed the fucking clash!


(you can prob skip the first 3:33 if you're only interested in the death of the clash)
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:26 pm
 
It's all speculation, I like to think that Nanne would have pointed out to you that my "rant" is written in a whimsical, self-inquiring tone, not an angry one, so technicaly it's not a rant.....yeah I believe that's what Nanne would have done.

ha! well played, dood!
Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:29 pm
 
They come from an era where "rock music" was still important to alot of regular types....

Now it's a music elbowed to the fringes with Jazz and Blues....

Luckily it's been replaced in the national mindset with so called "country" music and computer generated virtual torch ballads



depressed as hell now, thanks.
Posted: Dec 8, 2012 5:04 am
 
WWND.
Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:09 pm
 
depressed as hell now, thanks

I was referring to the U.S....who almost always are clueless to their own homegrown art music and culture...

The latin based countries still beleive....

Bands would skip the U.S. entirely and play in Mexico...those shows are super fun
Posted: Dec 10, 2012 9:17 am
 
Dude Brad X...if you did real drugs your posts would be unreadable also.
Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:55 am
 
Ted, stop drinking deer blood already.

and lay off the underage chicks, we don't want to see you in the Lexington lock-up
Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:58 pm
 
Oh I get it...you're referring to me....fuck Ted Homo Nugent...I don't kill animals...

Posted: Dec 12, 2012 11:39 am
 
Ted, you've got nothing on The Clash. It seems Clash is a pedophile.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2012/12/10/kevin-clash-elmo-sex- scandal/1758571/
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