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Posted: Oct 15, 2008 8:53 pm
 
Blah, blah, blah, wonk, wonk, wonk.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 8:57 pm
 
McCain's reminding me for all the world of Talking Tina in that Twilight Zone episode. Moderator keeps just interrupting him going "okay, next question".
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 9:05 pm | Edited by: Seamus
 
Who the fuck is this Joe the Plumber? This line is getting rather tired.

And why in the fuck do the Republicans always claim to be small government? Reagan, they have run the biggest spending orgy in history, the deficits of which were temporarily relieved by Clinton.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 9:12 pm
 
McCain is really scary! He's like the bad clown dream.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 9:24 pm
 
I love watching McCain get more and more pissed, and make himself look like more and more of an asshole.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 9:34 pm
 
Bazooka joe plumber!
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 10:16 pm
 
The next person to walk through the door of Kudzu's will be the first to try my new Joe The Plumber shooter. On me.

See ya.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 11:27 pm
 
Did anybody notice that McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin?

And Obama was.

Well, that decides it, then.
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 11:42 pm
 
Dood -- McCain's eyes are CREEEEPY!!!!!!!
Posted: Oct 15, 2008 11:46 pm
 
He kept batting his lashes at the camera like he was Alfalfa holding flowers for Darla, but I wonder if he just has dry eyes and I shouldn't make fun.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 1:22 am
 
I wonder if he just has dry eyes

I'm sure he's just a pothead with contact lenses.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 2:29 am
 
my new Joe The Plumber shooter.

recipe?
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 6:53 am
 
It ended up being a shot o' the Irish with a Busch beer chaser for Jack Stands!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 8:35 am
 
what was the deal with the moderator asking obama about sarah palin's readiness to take over the country, and obamas reply of "i commend her?" he didn't lay into her stupidity and lack of experience once! i know he has to watch what he says, but come on!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 8:58 am
 
And why in the fuck do the Republicans always claim to be small government? Reagan, they have run the biggest spending orgy in history, the deficits of which were temporarily relieved by Clinton.


EXACTLY. While I never supported the GOP, it took me a while to navigate through their Orwellian funhouse where black is white and up is down. Just because you say it over and over (and you hate brown ppl) doesn't make it true. Every time one of my extended family members starts spouting off about balanced budgets and responsible govt and blah de-fucking-blah, I'm like 'CLINTON YEARS = FIRST BALANCED BUDGET SINCE 1969. You know, all those years (save for Carter admin) when modern-era Republicans ran the country. So please do STFU, granny"
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 9:32 am
 
McCain's really fucked up when he belittled the "health" of the mother exception to abortion rights. He used air quotes when he said that the health of the mother exception was a farce.

If this dude wants to get women's votes, he ought not make light of the possibility that they might die or be harmed during childbirth.

He's such a dick.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 9:44 am
 
He's such a dick.


I think that the American people can tell, and that's why he's sagging in the polls. It's going to be interesting to see the vast changes in the political landscape after November 4th and what that has in store for us as a nation and our place in the world.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 9:51 am
 
All those weird grimmaces and eye-rolling while Obama was talking only made him look more like a dick.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 9:59 am
 
All those weird grimmaces and eye-rolling while Obama was talking only made him look more like a dick.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:21 am
 
Made me so horny again I had me a third jerkathon.
So now I got this very, VERY big, hardened mountain of uuum... very, VERY silly putty in front of me.


Chewing gum anyone?
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:30 am
 
Here's the bit on abortion I was referring to:

Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:37 am | Edited by: Stephanie
 
I just couldn't believe how McCain had the balls to get so upset and defensive over comments made about his negative campaigning all the while Obama is SUPER calm and just all, "and your running mate didn't calm a situation down at a rally where someone shouted 'kill him' after my name was mentioned"

if anyone should be getting pissed, it's Barack! He's held his integrity this entire time and any negative ads were all in response to McCain's ads.

McCain's really fucked up when he belittled the "health" of the mother exception to abortion rights. He used air quotes when he said that the health of the mother exception was a farce.

Yeah!! what the fuck?
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:40 am
 
what was the deal with the moderator asking obama about sarah palin's readiness to take over the country, and obamas reply of "i commend her?" he didn't lay into her stupidity and lack of experience once! i know he has to watch what he says, but come on!

Sarah Palin suffers from IDS, or Imminent Death Syndrome.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 12:03 pm
 
if anyone should be getting pissed, it's Barack


I totally wanted him to tear into McCrain or easy target Sarah, but I think the dude is just too calm and measured.

Exactly what we need after Bush flushed us down the toilet.

Barack the Plumber!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 12:26 pm
 
McCain looked like a 72-year old guy who was up way past his bedtime
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 12:53 pm
 
I actually had to have the plumber come and fix my bathtub drain this morning. True story!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 12:57 pm
 
knock knock.

who're there?

dwain.

dwain who?

dwain the bathtub, i'm dwowning!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 1:33 pm | Edited by: PaddyBullocks
 
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 3:33 pm
 
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 3:44 pm
 
great googly moogly

haaa!!

CREEEEPY!!!!!!!
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 3:56 pm
 
That "health" comment will follow McLame to his grave. Big mistake but at this point he knows he has no shot and is just trying to placate the base Conservatives. The bottom dropping out of the economy a month before the election was the luckiest thing that ever happened to O'Bama.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 4:22 pm
 
That "health" comment will follow McLame to his grave.


can't be long now
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 4:27 pm
 
I was shocked how his true colors were displayed with that dismissal. Angry, miserable fuck.,
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 4:48 pm
 
Joe Sixpack was much cooler than Plumber Johnny. Palin has real talent. And I'm not just talking about her cans.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 5:19 pm
 
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 5:26 pm
 
FBI is investigating ACORN today. Can it hurt Obama at this point? I'm sure that they're going to try and tie him to it. Fucking lame.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 5:49 pm
 
O'Bama's already got the Electoral College in the bag. Even The Republicans know this. Popular vote=0.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:30 pm
 
I nearly missed it, but Jerry pointed out that McCain admitted that we were in the middle east for oil. He said something along the lines of "... and we had to go into the middle east to root out Saddam Hussein to protect those oil reserves..." Did anyone catch that?

I am a bit uneasy about the whole ACORN thing. The media has the potential to really make a mess of this and turn things around quick. I hope there's not even a small detail to dig up that he left out, i.e. I hope he's telling the whole truth.
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:38 pm
 
Posted: Oct 16, 2008 10:40 pm
 
Best thing I have ever seen?
http://mccainhateslosing.ytmnd.com/
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 11:47 am
 
Why does McCain go on and on in a circle about how he's the Canidate for change and the Republican Party is the canidate for change? Duh, you're running against the first black canidate in history, and you're trying to tell me you're the canidate for change?! Whatever dude.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 11:48 am
 
He's have a better argument if he said he was the Canidate for more of the same? In fact he'll go as far as to reinstate Jim Crowe laws....scarily, that might just get him elected.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 11:50 am
 
His crippled POW arms are funny too...I want to see him try to eat a bowl of cereal for breakfast. Hello, I'm the Tin Man, someone oil my arms please. I think I'm rusting.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 11:52 am
 
God, I got to get into stand-up.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:07 pm | Edited by: carney
 
His crippled POW arms are funny too

Ok, this is a bit much, don't you think? For the record, I am a libertarian/conservative (big surprise). I don't really like McCain, but every attack in this thread is personal: he's old, he's creepy, he's a racist (just because he is from AZ does not make him a racist). Very few of your arguements even mention his policies. If the roles were reversed and people were making Obama black sambo remarks, you would be outraged. Face it, whether Obama or McCain is elected, your daily lives will not change that much. They both support a bailout that I see as excessive and convoluted. Besides their tax plans and their positions on the failed war, there is no palatable difference. For taxes, McCain's plan makes more sense and Obama's position on the war is a no-brainer, so you can pretty much call it a tie. Either way, hold your nose and take one for the country. Obama will be elected and become our next Jimmy Carter: A nice, smart man who has no business in the white house. If intellect was the best indicator of presidentail success, Carter would have been our best pres. On the other hand, McCain had to sell his political soul to the christian conservatives with Palin. Face it, if McCain were elected, do you think he would give ANY real power to her? It would not be anywhere near the situation we have with W and Cheney (who seems to have crawled back into his cave during this election cycle). Obama is not the Mesiah and McCain is not the Devil. The truth lies somewhere in-between.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:21 pm
 
McCain has no policies...that has become painfully obvious by the debates, he will say whatever he thinks his party wants him to say, or what he thinks the public wants to here.

He's one of the good guys as a Republican Senator, but he's a very dangerous man as a Presidential Canidate, his vice president is even more dangerous, and it's not that I think he's diabolical, just incredibly stupid, which is W's biggest fault also. More of the same, I don't want it.

I have personal reasons to like the guy, he was born in the same hospital in panama where my baby sister was born, and my Dad worked for 3 years. I realy wanted to like the guy.

But never mind the fact that the only reason he's still alive is because he's was an famouse admirals son. He never freakin lets us forget....screw him.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:24 pm
 
It's not that Bush and Cheney have crawled back into thier caves either, it's the Republican party have all but mandated it. Don't forget that there basically was no Republican Convention this year, because Huricane Ike was just too convenient of an excuse. Everyone had to go help out with Ike...he didn't want to have the debates because he was dedicated to the economic reform bill...yadda yadda. I don't think McCain is the devil...I'm the devil....McCain is just a bitch.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:25 pm
 
For taxes, McCain's plan makes more sense

please please please explain this one. i'm no tax lover by any stretch, and have libertarian tendencies myself. but mccain's "plan" seems to be pissing in the wind and hoping it deosn't come back on you.


Face it, if McCain were elected, do you think he would give ANY real power to her?

he's older than fuck, he may not have a say in it. that's not something I'm willing to risk.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:43 pm
 
John McLame was shot down on his first mission to drop bombs on women and children in Nam. He is not a war hero. My two grandftahers spent four years each in Europe and the South Pacific fighting The Nazi's and Japanese. They didn't get caught. They are war heros.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 12:49 pm
 
if McCain were elected, do you think he would give ANY real power to her?


all he has to do is die! you think that ain't gonna happen in four years?
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 1:41 pm
 
For the record, I am a libertarian

You also like really shitty music.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 2:05 pm
 
You also like really shitty music.
wtf?

For taxes, McCain's plan makes more sense

please please please explain this one.


I think everyone's tax burden is too high. They should have a flat tax and tax churches, too. Obama wants more of your money to spend, I know that's an oversimplification. His taxes on small business will limit any job growth that should happen when the current crisis plays out in 2-3 years. Limit taxes, limit spending. Unfortunately, the GOP only pays lip[ service to the concept.

Look at it this way. With the economy in a full recession, a failed war and over all malaise, Obama should be ahead by 20 points. The fact that he's not points to two points: he's light on effective policy and there are enough ignorant racists to skew any type of poll results. People poll one way and vote another when they know that their vote is confidential. No matter what happens, we'll be talking about this election for a long time.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:07 pm
 
If you're such an expert on Economics how come you give guitar lessons to kids for a living? (And I notice you never miss an opportunity to call African-Americans derogatory names like many people on The Goner Board. Nice.)
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:16 pm | Edited by: Will
 
i tend to agree that the worst thing you can do is give the government more of our money to waste, but the facts are these:

-circa Clinton (a Dem, by the way), out budget was balanced. fucking amazing. hadn't happened since the late 60's.

-Bush comes along and decides to give rebates. sounds good, but a lot of economists (conservative ones, at that) said hmmm, yeah things are really awesome right now, let's not be rash.

-then this fucking obtuse, spoiled, tiny-dicked, fake Texan gets us in a mind-staggeringly expensive war based on bullshit that his admin cooked up.

-then, just as the last gasp of the 90's economic boom (over-valued housing market) is turning bust, he decides to hand out more dough to the people. Where is it coming from? we owe trillions. It's gonna have to be paid back. The USD is shit. Are we just supposed to leave it for the next generation(s)? Doesn't seem fair. Now I certainly don't agree with Biden that "taxes are patriotic", and I know the IRS is bloated, inefficient and probably unconstitutional, but we we are way in the red. If this isn't remedied, I don't even want to think what the next 20, 30, 50 years will be like.

Now, you can talk all day long about tax cuts creating jobs, but the hard facts are that most of these rich dudes aren't paying their fair share to begin with. they offload the bulk of their private wealth into off-shore, untaxable accounts or find various tax shelters and loopholes where they can thumb their nose at the IRS. That's bullshit.

I think it's also important to remember that under Obama's plan, only the dough you make after $250,000 is going to be taxed 3% higher (@39% instead of 36%). In other words, if you are so lucky/smart/bless-ed/whatever to earn $250,005 - your tax burden will increase by appoximately 15 cents. I think this is doable.

will Obama have the tenacity to see that the bulk of these revenues will be used in attempt to balance our budget, restore the USD, etc? I don't know. But I will say that even though he tends to be a little more nanny-state (at least in rhetoric. remember, it is campaign season. the promises are going to be a-flying) than I like, I think he is smarter than McCain, will appoint better people (see: a lot of the Clinton folks, who were actually more little "c" conservative than anything we've seen in the last 8 years), and has shown better judgment throughout the campaign. I mean Palin?! REally? That is not the decision of well man. McCain's impetuousness and desperation are not conservative. His vocal support of Bush's economic and foreign policies is not conservative. The word "conservative" has become completely bastardized, and for that, I blame the Republican Party.

Fuck 'em.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:26 pm
 
Not an expert Ned, just ask Schooley. Quit beating the dead horse, you can accuse me of racism all you want. Anyone with half a brain knows better. I know this is old news, but what do you do for a living? I run a small business with 9 employees with almost a quarter of a million in revenue this year. And yeah, I give a few guitar lessons.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:28 pm
 
Maverick, socialism, Joe Plumber, socialism, that one, off with his head- am I getting this right? The words don't have to make sense or be in order as long as they include the words that make money-grubbing cave-people smile and beat their clubs on the ground. So the rich stay rich, deficit grows, income gap widens, mandatory rape babies for everyone! So it's totally cool to send your 18 year old to die in a foreign country to prove that we have the longest cock but abortions should be illegal. Only kill kids you have already named, Jesus would have wanted it that way. It's not all about policy and plans, McCain and Palin are insane, Obama seems to be the least insane candidate. Fuck 'em.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:34 pm | Edited by: carney
 
Now, you can talk all day long about tax cuts creating jobs, but the hard facts are that most of these rich dudes aren't paying their fair share to begin with. they offload the bulk of their private wealth into off-shore, untaxable accounts or find various tax shelters and loopholes where they can thumb their nose at the IRS. That's bullshit.

I completely agree. Everyone should pay a flat 15% of income. Individuals, corporations, churches. That's a fair share. Clinton did do a great job with the economy, but as you said he's to the right of Obama's basic platform. McCain is a thorn in the GOPs side. His tragic mistake was sucking up to the evangelicals with Pailin. I'm afraaid she's not going away anytime soon. I blame the republican party and the democratic party. Each side has ran a crazy campaign that defies logic. Obama should be killing McCain, somehow the old badger keeps hanging in there. Watch for the gap to lessen in the polls.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:36 pm
 
I'm actually not accusing you of racism this time. Just pointing out that for whatever reason you use derogatory words to describe African Americans a lot, Fake Texan.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:38 pm
 
I know better than to call myself a Texan. That would be like you calling yourself a New Yorker.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:42 pm
 
You mean since I've lived in NY my whole life? Right...
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:55 pm
 
i don't know man. I think Obama's run a pretty amazing campaign. it's actually a lot of the reason i support him, even if he lacks "experience" (pretty tired of that meme, though). I mean this dude has overcome crazy odds to get where he is. And again, I think it points to his prudence and intellect when choosing the people who have been instrumental in the campaigns success.

reasons he's not killing it:

i'd venture that there's about 30% of Americans who will never, ever, ever vote for a candidate who doesn't come out hard against choice. no matter what else happens or crazy shit that comes out of a candidate's mouth, these folks aren't going to budge on this.

Then you've got your racists, both vocal and closet. that's got to be a decent-sized chunk. old people, etc.

then you've got a lot of folks who will vote prty ticket, no matter the circumstances. Palin could call a live press conference and eat that retarded baby of hers and there are folks that will still vote for McCain/ Palin because they are Republicans.

then you add in a few hardcore vets and you've got a good base of folks that comprise the reason why Obama isn't mopping the floor with McCain.


oh yeah, did I mention he's a terrorist? Fuckin a.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:59 pm
 
This country needs somebody smart to administrate getting us out of all the trouble George Bush got us into. That person is clearly O'Bama.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 3:59 pm
 
Yeah the terrorist thing stinks with desperation, but people are buying it. That's straight out of the Rove playbook. Speaking of choice, Sarah Weddington, the lawyer in roe v Wade, introduced the kids from my school at a civil rights awards dinner last week. Take that Ned!
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:01 pm
 
We could still be fucked. Here are some winners from the Cincinnati.com:

"I am not a Michael Savage fan, by any standard, but I do listen to a variety of talk shows leaning left or right. He used a phrase the other day about Obama that I think is fitting....."trickle up poverty".

"You think you have it tough now, and many of us do, elect Barack Obama. He's going to tax us into oblivion. I don't love John McCain, but he is definitely the lesser of two evils."
All I had to hear was O man want to spread the wealth, that is socialism. His idea is middle class is people making 50k a year of less. They seldom if at all pay taxes. He says $250,000.00 a year, is that gross, net after deductions, lots of talk, little substance.

He gives good speeches and makes people feel warm. But then so does peeing in your pants, feels warm till the air gets to it. People really have to listen closely to what the guys is not saying. McCain has shown with his past deeds, I put more weight in actions that words."
You have a choice Socialism or Capitalism.

"Finally it has come out of 'that ones' mouth. Take a person's hard earned money and give it to another. The tax cut numbers do not add up, how do you get a cut if do not pay taxes, government give them a check.
Save Capitalism.
Yes regulation to stop what Barney F and Nancy P did to Fannie and Freddy is needed. These congress people have brought capitalism to it's knees. This did not need to happen if they had not forced banks to do loans that were against past regulation
We have been fed a bunch of bull from Bush and the current congress. McCain is not Bush and maybe he would be able to save capitalism. No one else will even try. The other choice is to continue down a socialism path that has been started. It is all a gamble but McCain at least might have a chance to restore it. The American dream is hard work and climb the ladder. But all socialism does is take away from the few who do work and give it to the ones that don't"

"I never was a big Obama fan, but I was okay with him...until he provided real insight into what he wanted. Obama's "spread the wealth" statements just sent me running to the McCain side.

When Joe said he thought Obama's tax plan would basically make running a small company more difficult, and keep him from moving forward in purchasing a small business...what does Obama say? That's right Joe, but I'm not doing it because I want to hurt you, I'm doing it because I want to help other people so that they don't have to work so hard. The threshold for a small business in the tax plan should be much higher. As an employee of a small business, this Obama's tax plan would prevent us from hiring people in the next year, plus slow the growth of the business. If the growth of the business is slowed up, then ther is less money available to hire people and provide pay increases for employees. This is just not the American way. The owner takes too much risk and works too hard to spread it."

"Who do you think won the final debate?

John McCain

53.35%

Barack Obama

43.96%

It was a tie

2.69%


Total Votes: 10207"
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:03 pm
 
So if you're such a Non-Racist why do you use such dispicable language to describe African-Americans on The Goner Board all the time? You can't have it both ways, Carpetbagger.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:08 pm
 
People who are offended by mere words need to go back to their cave.
Once again, you are so afraid of a word, you didn't even consider its context. I used the term sambo, I didn't call Obama sambo, I merely proposed a scenario where someone, not myself, would potentially use the term. Me thinks you are something akin to a homophobe: he doth protest too much.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:11 pm
 
Except what you really mean is that you're a complete, blatant racist. That's what you mean to say by trying to turn it around on me. An old Karl Rove trick. Nice.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:28 pm
 
You are one insane cracker.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:29 pm | Edited by: rich riggler
 
cracker.

Racist!
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:30 pm
 
What's wrong honky?
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:31 pm
 
shut it, nigger.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:32 pm
 
Ned, you are a credit to your race.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:37 pm
 
The neo con-agenda and it's ensuing war on the middle class has been so egregious that I think that race is a non-issue for 98% of the voters in this election.

The average caucasian that's voting for Obama is doing so not to ameliorate racial tensions in America, but to vanquish the last vestiges of the neo-cons from Washington and hopefully set America down the right path to reverse the damage and destruction the Right has wrought upon this great country of ours.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:39 pm
 
non-issue for 98%
I wish this was true.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 4:39 pm
 
Okay, 90%
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 7:05 pm
 
every attack in this thread is personal

No. There were more than a few that were aghast reactions to bullshit the man SAID.

Obama will be elected and become our next Jimmy Carter: A nice, smart man who has no business in the white house. If intellect was the best indicator of presidentail success, Carter would have been our best pres.


What? This is some twisted twisted logic. Also, you are smart enough to KNOW that there was way more than that (being "too intellectual") that went wrong with the Carter presidency.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 7:13 pm
 
obama is a much stronger candidate and fighter than carter ever was.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 7:37 pm
 
Most definitely, but many of the problems with the Carter presidency were due to external situational issues. But, yeah, another guy may have handled them better...and not Gerald Ford or even Ronald Reagan.
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 9:47 pm
 
"Who do you think won the final debate?

John McCain

53.35%

Barack Obama

43.96%

It was a tie

2.69%


Total Votes: 10207"


Cincinnati.com? The city that keeps that quaint ol' tradition of RACE RIOTS alive and well? That's hardly objective.

I'll take your former employer as of today...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111256/Obama-Viewed-Winner-Third-Debate.asp x

And if it all ends in shit, I will take a heroic dose.
Posted: Oct 18, 2008 6:35 pm
 
every attack in this thread is personal

No. There were more than a few that were aghast reactions to bullshit the man SAID.

I'll give you that but most were just sort of juvenile and pointless. My only real problem with McCain is his insistance on staying in Iraq and pretending it is a noble cause. That and his gift to the evangelicals, ie Palin.


What? This is some twisted twisted logic. Also, you are smart enough to KNOW that there was way more than that (being "too intellectual") that went wrong with the Carter presidency.

Carter was real change, but not good change. I see Obama as the same. Smart, well meaning, but flawed in his economic philosophies. Carter's real gift was his diplomacy, not his fiscal plan.
Posted: Oct 18, 2008 9:58 pm | Edited by: michael baker
 
Obama will be elected and become our next Jimmy Carter: A nice, smart man who has no business in the white house. If intellect was the best indicator of presidentail success, Carter would have been our best pres.



i violently disagree; that's like saying the CEO's of GM and Merrill Lynch need to be dumber. also, carter an intellectual? not by most standards of the word. truly wilson was by every measure. and in yr logic coolidge and harding be great presidents because they were home sspun and non eggheady.

anyways back to the point:the smartest presidents? i dunno. but the ones who could follow conversations, philosophically, legally, and constitutionally and still add things?


wilson
lincoln (his ability to read ands write make up for his spotty education)
jefferson
adams
carter
clinton
Posted: Oct 18, 2008 10:33 pm
 
My only real problem with McCain



i wld include his voting record of the last 4 years, severely aligned with the dismal policies of bush, perhaps our worst president

his health, hence the ridiculousness of palin choice

his constant braying about his war, i mean POW, experience

his close relationships to tele comms this decade and in the 80's, the savings and loan industry

his temper

his willingness to kowtow to the extreme right, esp re supreme court appts

his lack of statesmanship

his narrowed military complex-driven view of the middle east

his willingness to rape the environment

his unwillingness to work with a black person in his life
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 9:08 am
 

his willingness to kowtow to the extreme right, esp re supreme court appts


Right now, this is what pisses me off the most about him. Just his willingness to kowtow period to whatever he thinks will get him to be the winner. This indicates that he is a follower and nothing like a "leader". Obviously Obama has listened to suggestions as any politician will, but McCain is like Nixon in his violent diversion from his stated "values". He's scary as hell.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 10:51 am
 
My two grandftahers spent four years each in Europe and the South Pacific fighting The Nazi's and Japanese. They didn't get caught. They are war heros.

Not defending The Big Dick,
but:
Your grandfats were 'soldiers', mr Riggler. That doesn't make them war heros.
Maybe they even robbed, raped, committed horrible war crimes and never covered anyones back during 'awkward situations'.
War heros?
Proof please.
Maybe they were just 'in it' for the free buttfucks. War ho's.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 11:06 am
 
i just read a book on grammar--i know, i know--and half of it is on wrong choices (avert/avoid; bring/take; discomfit/.discomfort; gantlet/gauntlet) and there's also a nice chapter on wrong words--parameters; decimate; livid; noisome; well, she, the author not necessarily me, thinks the word hero is almost always misused: In other words for me, Achilles was a hero; Helen Keller was heroic.

Living with Miles Davis was not heroic. Sammy Sosa was not heroic.

Brave and courageous are firefighters and soldiers. Heroes?
I'm on Consul's side.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 11:07 am
 
And my brother, father, and two grandfathers were/are Vets.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 11:40 am
 
decimate

Killing one tenth of a legion to punish or dissuade mutiny, not to entirely eradicate as is the common usage.

One of my pet peeves, along with "chomping at the bit."
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:40 pm
 
wilson
lincoln (his ability to read ands write make up for his spotty education)
jefferson
adams
carter
clinton



JQ Adams

prof rhetoric at harvard
spoke 7 languages

he belongs above carter and clinton
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:47 pm
 
i'll take ol' hickory.

carried two pistols on his hips into the senate.

his literacy is debatable. he could make his mark, that is known.

beloved friend of the red man.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:49 pm
 
Right now, this is what pisses me off the most about him. Just his willingness to kowtow period to whatever he thinks will get him to be the winner.
Obama is consistant, but his platforms are nothing more than giveaways designed to sway support. I venture that he doesn't believe his economic plans will help the economy, but they might get him elected. I don't like McCain or Obama. As I've said a million times, they both fail me. I just like to point out the hypocracy of both sides. Everyone is so disgusted with McCain, but they really are just pissed at W. Comparing voting records doesn't really tell the whole story, Obama probably voted about 70% with W. By the time the pork is stuffed into legislation, the original intent of the bill is lost. McCain has been more than fair in his bipartisan support of legislation that wh thinks will benefit the country, not just himself. McCain is a walking mixed message, that's why he inspires such hatred fromthe left and the far right.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 2:56 pm
 
McCain is a walking mixed message, that's why he inspires such hatred fromthe left and the far right.

As I was saying. I am not necessarily certain that Obama is The US' Savior, but I prefer consistency rather than the blatant fish out of water flopping of McCain. And anyone spitting out the vile anti-choice invective as he did in the last debate can go fuck themselves, don't care if they are running for office or not.
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 3:10 pm
 
'll take ol' hickory

i wish we could still elect presidents on the basis of how many people they have personally killed
Posted: Oct 19, 2008 11:43 pm
 
i'm scared of mccain being in office. it kinda freaks me out too how many fucktarded people there are out there who believe whatever the media and john mccain say about obama. my family was driving me apeshit last week (in red state indiana) about how obama is going to make the entire country go to pot. it's kinda hard to make the whole country go to pot when clearly we're almost already there. obviously something in the policies of the current president screwed something up there and you want to continue by electing another republican who is pretty much going to be more of the same??? it kills me. my grandpa YELLED AT ME for wanting to vote for obama. it is scary. and my grandma was saying that obama is "too smart for his own good"? why on earth would you want a fucking dumbass to be the president??? gah. seriously. it kills me.

there are worse out there though -- people calling obama a terrorist and shit. insanity i tell you. i'm hightailing it out of this country if mcdumb and dumber get elected.
Posted: Oct 20, 2008 2:43 am
 
i'm hightailing it out of this country if mcdumb and dumber get elected.


Not going to happen. Thank DOW!


his lack of statesmanship

???

Please explain, professor.
Posted: Oct 20, 2008 5:46 am | Edited by: michael baker
 

his lack of statesmanship

???

Please explain, professor.



just quickly: his behavior during debates: mouthing horseshit, refusal to maintain eye contact, his smirking superciliousness during BO's answers


aslo: his 180 on press relations--from convivial and open to dark and secretive--suggest a person uncomfortable with poised diplomacy

most of all? i think he's a bomb first, talk later kind of guy
Posted: Oct 20, 2008 8:11 am
 
pretty excited about Powell's endorsement

also glad he called out the fact the Muslim "smear" leveled at Obama is not only utter BS, but a pretty shitty thing to use as a pejorative to begin with. also pretty clear on the fact that Palin is dumbass, in the nicest way possible.
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