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Posted: Apr 18, 2008 6:35 pm
 
I dug the Birthday Party but got lost pretty quickly on the Nick Cave records (into different thing by that time I guess) but a couple of months ago my sis sent me a big stash of records she had which not only included some Birthday Party records that disappeared from my collection a billion years ago but some other Bday Party obscurities and a ton of Nick Cave stuff (though it stops about late 90's. She slowed down her collection to almost a dead stop by then). She told me to keep what I want, eBay the rest and split the $ with her. No prob but now I'm on a serious Nick Cave jag AND I went out and bought the new album and think it rules.

Who's with me?
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 6:57 pm
 
It does rule indeed.
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:10 pm
 
I'm a fan of just about every album except for 'Murder Ballads' - which most people seem to love...haven't heard this one yet...but I want to...
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:12 pm
 
I don't like a lot of the more recent stuff, but have been told by trusted sources that the new one does indeed rule. Guess I'll have to get it. Love Nick Cave, for the most part.
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:20 pm
 
nick rules and all but dont bother reading his book 'and the ass wrote the novel'
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:23 pm
 
Nick Cave is awesome...Grinderman kicks ass.

He's playin here with Cat Power & Spiritualized. Should be a great show.
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:43 pm
 
The Grinderman record sorta led me back to his post Birthday Party stuff but I like the new Bad Seed album more. It's got a swing and rock-n-roll swagger that seems to more present here than a lot of his other solo stuff.

And yeah that book is what one of things that started to put me off from him for a long time.
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 8:09 pm
 
I'm not too into the new one....maybe it's the aftereffects of Grinderman or maybe Blixa leaving the band, but something about this record just bores the hell out of me and I'm a big fan......
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 9:00 pm
 
i walked into a crap load of nick's albums awhile back and have been kicking my own ass for my hatred of him before, always thought he was too faggy. and then the grinderman came out and it was holy shit, haven;t gotten the new one yet, been busy with other aussies, witch hats have a real birthday party/ fall thing going on with something else i can't quite put my finger on maybe bauhaus? digging up all the beasts of bourbon and related stuff i can find, the hitmen, ex birdman and future hoodoo guru's etccc
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 10:48 pm
 
The thing about the new Nick cave record is that it's the most fairly "mainstream" record he's ever done. He seems to have finally melded his Elvis died right after recording his '68 comeback special, the Dylan trips and the obvious Iggy/Bowie damage and made a very listenible record from start to end....and it's actually good. It not the easiest hand to win.
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 11:03 pm
 
i've been a member of the "nick cave can do no wrong" club since forever
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 11:36 pm
 
god damn, i post that about the beasts of bourbon and then findout minutes later they have broken up again
Posted: Apr 18, 2008 11:36 pm
 
From Her to Eternity is the last listenable one he put out, IMO.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 1:32 am
 
and a great song.

i lost interest at some point, too. grinderman was a nice wake up.

haven't heard the new one.

memories of putting some asshole in a headlock during your funeral my trial tour. he weakly called out "we love you nick!" he was in between me and closer to the stage. fuck him.

shoulda bought the scum flexi at that show.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 3:04 am
 
Maybe ten, twenty good songs after the Birthday Party.
He ought to be shot for the rest he put out since then.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:10 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
I don't know if I've heard Grinderman. Saw him live a couple years ago and any non-Birthday Party, non-From Her To Eternity song seemed to suck major ass.

I'm gonna bust out my Die Haut feat. Nick Cave rekkid now.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:24 am
 
I'm gonna bust out my Die Haut feat. Nick Cave rekkid now.

O yeah, that one's pretty cool too.

My older brother is a member of the "nick cave can do no wrong" club.
Imagine the horror. Can't kick his ass either cause he's too scary.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:36 am
 
There's gotta be a way to convince Nick Cave fans that anything after "From Her To Eternity" sucks ass, right? Some kinda intervention?
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:37 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
Mebbe Nick Cave himself need an intervention. About his suckage as of late. --- well since '83 or so.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:41 am | Edited by: Ding Le Dangle
 
(Once told my brother that Junkyard had only one good song on it: the titeltrack, and the rest was just dummies tryin math. Ended up in the hospital cause I wasn't kidding.)
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:47 am
 
There's gotta be a way to convince Nick Cave fans that anything after "From Her To Eternity" sucks ass, right? Some kinda intervention?

If I tried, I'd be dead before I could leave the house.
This Grinderman thing too. Man, I can't believe people fall for that shit. But here's my brother goin: 'Just like the BP man!'

No it aint.
Jesus Christ!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:48 am
 
I like Prayers on Fire and the two ep's though. A lot!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:53 am
 
(Once told my brother that Junkyard had only one good song on it: the titeltrack, and the rest was just dummies tryin math. Ended up in the hospital cause I wasn't kidding.)

I agree. Junkyard is the first record of Nick Cave's I sold. Nice cover art, but the music sucked in general.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 4:57 am
 
You can't peel Release the Bats or Deep in the Woods outta my hands 'til I'm dead.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:01 am
 
My love for Release the Bats, with his high-pitched squealing got me sprung on Bone Orchard, well and the Lydia Lunch, of course
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:06 am
 
all the songs on the Bad Seed ep are so great, it's unbelievable.
And god, how I like King Ink, with the rhythm goin nuts all the time. That's fuckin magic.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:07 am
 
You have that Drunk On The Pope's Blood split? BP & LL?
Rules.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:09 am
 
Yes, I got that. I love that record with all my heart!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:24 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
I was almost bummed that I sold 13.13 when I was homeless, but for real, I can't stand to hear Lydia's voice anymore. I think that fucker did me a favor by buying it for cheep.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:27 am
 
O I can, I still like the old stuff she did back in the 'no wave' days.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:31 am
 
Well, Ding, if I could could slice that record in half and give you the LL side, I would.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:40 am
 
Just wash it with some bleach. That'll do the trick. I know. That's what I do with Acid Mothers/Kinski splits and misfits like that.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:40 am
 
I dunno, the LL porno turned me off a bit.

There's only one porno film I thought was GOOD. It was shot in infrared, totally killer!@
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:41 am
 
The Operation
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:49 am
 
You mean:
'Operation Swallow: The Battle for Heavy Water'?
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:49 am
 
While he's going down, her bush glows with heat! The eyeballs are particularly weird in IR, as well as the teeth.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:51 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
Nope. The Operation is a short, like 17 minutes...shot with IR film.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:53 am
 
Oo, haven't seen that one.
I am totally into squirtmovies at the moment.

With the Sundance Butch soundtrack playin in the background...
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:56 am
 
It's one of the most incredible films I've seen. I used to smoke speed with the star's boyfriend, that was a couple of years after I'd seen it on the big screen, tho.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:02 am
 
I'll hunt it down.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:03 am
 
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:08 am
 
Thanks!
I want that.
I know a guy who can hook me up for sure.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:08 am
 
The InfraRed action is amazing. I shit you not. When you see him going down, her bush glows!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:08 am
 
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:09 am
 
I'm on it.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:13 am
 
You sure sending $25 to that address is save, cause I'm gonna.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:19 am
 
since there's a warning about sending money, I'd better have someone pick it up
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:20 am
 
thanks man,
you totally cured the hangover of all hangovers!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:23 am
 
Dude, if you're the average porno freak, you prolly won't like it.

But, if you like black and white ethereal sex visions, you'll prolly will like it.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:28 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
Sending $25 to anyone is NOT safe. Best of luck to you.

$25 for 17 minutes sounds like a gyp.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:34 am
 
I saw it on the big screen as part of a festival for $10...
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 6:52 am
 
Yeah, it's expensive, but I wanna see it.
And no, I'm not an average porn freak anymore.
I really had enough, just had enough.
I was just kidding about them squirtmovies.

But this stuff looks very interesting, eventhough it's a short movie and the price is crazy.
I know someone who can check it out for me, and maybe find it for a few bucks.

And sending money these days. Man, tell me about it. It's time for a black list of webstores who don't send stuff you've payed for.

I have a friend in Portland who can go to that address if all else fails.
But thanks again: I think I'm gonna enjoy this one very much.

Now I'm gonna have a beer for breakfast and take a nap.

And then blast Sunnys Burning all over the goddamned park.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 7:24 am
 
Finger in bottle and swingin' it still!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 10:23 am
 
Nick Cave I love:
All Birthday Party
From Her To Eternity
The Firstborn Is Dead
Kicking Against the Pricks
Your Funeral, My Trial
Tender Prey
Murder Ballads

Nick Cave I Like:
The Good Son
Let Love In
Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus
Henry's Dream

Fuck it:
Boatmans Call
Nocturama
No More Shall We Part
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 10:30 am
 
any non-Birthday Party, non-From Her To Eternity song seemed to suck major ass.

have you heard THE BOATMANS CALL? forget that this is on Dave B's Fuck It list....
its the best leonard cohen album leonard cohen never wrote or recorded!
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 10:43 am
 
Maybe that's why I don't like it? I dunno - I know lots of other folks love it to pieces. I likes to keep my Cohen and Cave separated.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 1:15 pm | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
I could live without Leonard Cohen for the most part. Good soundtrack music, but that's about it. The only soundtrack that's not a musical, that I like to rock for enjoyment is Sorcerer by Tangerine Dream.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:04 pm
 
That's DOCTOR Cave to you, nowadays.
Posted: Apr 19, 2008 5:07 pm
 
The big exhibition of his stuff- photos, notebooks, toenail clippings, etc- just closed here.
Posted: Apr 20, 2008 9:06 pm
 
I think there were only 3 Nick Cave solo records that I really dug... First born..., Your Funeral..., & The Good Son. He's just too prolific for me to keep up on all the time.

I saw him last in 2002 in Seattle & would see him again, tho', 'less it's hit $50/ticket.

Columbus man-about-town, Paul Bearer, was a roadie for him for years, but probably not because he was good at shleppin' amps.

By the way, The Proposition, for which he wrote the screeenplay, is great.
Posted: Apr 20, 2008 11:27 pm
 
how about he also wrote the soundtrack to that as well as the new jessie james movie.....
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 4:01 am
 
He's playin here
heard he's using a small orchestra
should be quite a show
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 8:08 am
 
So julian cope's Nickcaverock Sampler is full of shit, then?
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 8:13 am
 
I listened to the The Firstborn Is Dead compulsively when it came out, but never really felt the same way about another of his "solo" records. They were good (some really good), but I think I got my fill with Firstborn.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 12:34 pm
 
it's "cool" to like the Birthday Party and diss the Bad Seeds these days...so I'm not surprised at some of the reactions.

not to say that all his records are great...I think Dave B is pretty right on, but he has been consistent...from The Boys Next Door to his latest.

Definitely not some flavor of the month.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 1:06 pm
 
Dis the Bad Seeds? Never. I think From Her to Eternity is better than any full length Birthday Party ever put out.

I kept that record with Tupelo on it for over a year trying to like it, but couldn't do it. And that "In the Ghetto" cover, yuck. I was fed up.

I can handle some dudes' transition from angry rocker to crooner better than others.

Elvis Costell0 - Yeah.
Nick Cave - nope.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 1:12 pm
 
I will check out that Boatman's Call, however, and see what it's all about.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 1:13 pm | Edited by: mrlastname
 
I'd much rather get my ass handed to me a la "Big Jesus Trash Can" than hear anyone croon any day of the workingweek.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 1:30 pm | Edited by: gore
 
I can handle some dudes' transition from angry rocker to crooner better than others.

Elvis Costell0 - Yeah.
Nick Cave - nope.


Elvis Costello was an angry rocker? that guy is soooo boring! I don't think he's ever rocked...if I was gonna listento douchey new wave I'd rather listen to Men at Work than Elvis Costello anyday
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 1:45 pm | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
gore=tough guy.

douchey new wave rules!

Men at Work was OK. Elvis or Men at Work aren't nearly douchey enough for my tastes when I really crave douchey new wave. Something like this takes me there.

If you could choke down enough Elvis, you'd prolly discover that he was a little more angsty in the late 70s than he was in the late 80s...
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 2:25 pm
 
gore=tough guy.

not tough, just grumpy
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 2:34 pm
 
Never liked Costello either, but I can hang with a lotta Cave solo stuff. Just haven't actively listened to much outside "Firstborn" (the one with "Tupelo," how can you not like that epic?).
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 3:07 pm
 
Costello has always had a little bite, especially when he's with the Attractions....
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 3:11 pm
 
I think From Her to Eternity is better than any full length Birthday Party ever put out.

if I was gonna listento douchey new wave I'd rather listen to Men at Work than Elvis Costello anyday

Both of you, put down the crack pipes & step away from your 'puters.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 3:41 pm
 
Elvis Costello was an angry rocker?

Like it or not, This Year's Model is a very angry album...
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 3:47 pm
 
Angry in a hissy fit sorta faggot way.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 5:43 pm
 
Dave Bs list is pretty dead on
Almost Parallel mine

except

Nick Cave I love:
All Birthday Party
From Her To Eternity
The Firstborn Is Dead
Kicking Against the Pricks
Your Funeral, My Trial
Tender Prey
Grinderman

Nick Cave I almost love
Good Son
Boatman's Call

Nick Cave I can take or leave depending on my mood
Just about eveything else previously mentioned including Boys Next Door.

Fuck It...
I'm 3 songs into Dig Lazarus Dig
it is NOT looking good
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 5:52 pm
 
I've never gotten what was so Angry about Elvis Costello neither.

Not that I hated him, just never got the whole "Angry" thing...
maybe I do need to check out "This Years Model"
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 6:22 pm
 
Elvis Costello is the Alternative Elton John
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 6:25 pm
 
Elvis Costello
angry YES
you should have seen him perform live in 1977! man... i saw him go after a heckler with a broken bottle! hissy fit anger? perhaps. but his greatest expressions of anger are in his well-crafted turns of phrase.

you listen to "radio radio"? that's anger, well articulated
just about all of THIS YEARS MODEL has well articulated angry songs
you don't have to sound like the GERMS to be angry
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 6:32 pm
 
you don't have to sound like the GERMS to be angry

But that's when angry sounds best!
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 6:50 pm
 
you don't have to sound like the GERMS to be angry

Germs were drunk not angry...

anger doesn't equal good

we need more songs about puppies

and our feelings
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 7:55 pm | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
When I'm angry, I don't hear the Germs in my head. Kinda like "Indochina" by Crucifix + "Slave to the Grind" by Skid Row + some Masonna and maybe a little Rat's Eyes by Black Flag

Play 'em all at once. Maybe put Rat's Eyes on at 78rpm.
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 11:24 pm
 
Elvis Costello is the Alternative Elton John

Wait - is that a bad thing?
Posted: Apr 21, 2008 11:40 pm
 
we need more songs about puppies

and our feelings


calling Jack Stands!
Posted: Apr 22, 2008 12:43 pm
 
Elvis Costello is the Alternative Elton John

Wait - is that a bad thing?



it is to me.
Posted: Apr 22, 2008 2:42 pm
 
Elvis Costello is the Alternative Elton John

Thank-you for that one. It explains everything for someone like me who never 'got' Elvis.
Posted: Apr 22, 2008 3:30 pm
 
Fuck Elvis Costello!

Except for his I Want You (after that stupid intro).

Shjiiiiiiit, I had a link to a live BP show but can't find it anymore.
Posted: Apr 22, 2008 3:50 pm
 
My Aim Is True, This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy: All jams.

Elton John, jeez. Rocketman? Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting? Crocodile Rock? It's not all Candle In The Wind...
Posted: Apr 22, 2008 3:57 pm
 
It's a little but funnyyyyyy
this feelin inside



loved that song when I was a kid,
didn't know he was gay though back then

(Sorry, couldn't resist, been drinkin you know...)
Posted: Apr 24, 2008 1:41 pm
 
Posted: Apr 24, 2008 2:11 pm
 
It's a little but funnyyyyyy
this feelin inside


loved that song when I was a kid,
didn't know he was gay though back then


Elton's gay, not Bernie Taupin. Taupin wrote those words and he has the distinction of some culture magazine naming his "We Built This City on Rock n Roll" as the WORST SONG EVER --- a very well deserved distinction, I might add.

but it has NOTHING to do with Nick Cave
Posted: Apr 24, 2008 2:19 pm
 
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
ya -HA-aa..
?????
Posted: Apr 25, 2008 12:25 pm
 
Elton's gay, not Bernie Taupin. Taupin wrote those words and he has the distinction of some culture magazine naming his "We Built This City on Rock n Roll" as the WORST SONG EVER --- a very well deserved distinction, I might add.

He wrote that piece of shit? I had no idea. Although, now I'm hearing that song in my head as sung by Nick Cave. It still sucks.

Is Dig Lazarus Dig any good? Picked it up then put it back yesterday. I think he should just write more screenplays.
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 4:33 am
 
nobody even dowloaden that BP live show yet?
Shijiiit.
I'm gonna kill that link
and y'all better go suck on some dragqueens dick!
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:32 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
I downloaded it! whee @@!! haven't unRared it yet...

I liked Elvis in the late 70's and early 80's, but a Nazi skin totally turned me on to the Elvis. He'd buy beer for us kids and have us over to his apartment to watch french movies and shit. Tell us how blacks were better at sports because they were closely related to apes and shit like that.

If skins like it, it's gotta be angry.
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:41 am
 
Damn, I'd share my bootleg live Elvis from 1978, but it's 135 megs, too much for the rapidshare shit.
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:45 am | Edited by: SSSSSSS
 
It's got the best version of "The Beat" ever!!!!

Damn, then he rolls right into "the Roadette Song" - Ian Dury cover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:50 am
 
Shaken on her shoulder, shaking on her arse
Ain't no doubt about it she's a gamey lass
Jerking with her elbow, clever with her knee
Way she move it over, that's the place to please
Diction very bad, friction double rich
Brazen little hussy, rock 'n' rolling bitch
When it come to business takes off like a jet
Rocking's her vocation
She's a very high roadette

Young man
There ain't no need to hustle
Young man
Slow down your hustle bustle
You can take your time, young man
Some of this is muscle
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:54 am
 
Then he lames out a bit with "Stranger in the House" - I hate that song.

Then they get back to business with "I don't wanna go to Chelsea"
Posted: Apr 26, 2008 10:12 am
 
Damn, I'd share my bootleg live Elvis from 1978, but it's 135 megs, too much for the rapidshare shit.

you can split it in two parts

as for the BP boot, the guy who ripped it put it on the web with the two sec pause between the songs and messed with the tracklist (?????)
I dunno what they drink down under, but it's makes 'm go under pretty damn good (what a shithead).
So you must kinda edit it all a bit. Put the songs back in the right order too.
I haven't had time to that. And I can't remember from which Blog I pulled it or I'd email that guy to get that file straightened out.
It's great stuff though! Band was almost never THAT tight in those days. Sound quality great (radio/soundboard) and even Cave is TRYIN. Release the bats, I'm lose cover (again totally ruuuuuuulin), King Ink and a lot of other Prayers on Fire songs.
Posted: Apr 27, 2008 10:42 pm
 
Grinderman kicks ass.
I agree. No pussy blues is a great tune. I hope to see more stuff like this outta old Nick.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 12:28 am
 
I'm trying to decide where to split up the Elvis. It really has to be rocked in its entirety!

I should prolly just fire up a server and get it all out in one file. I tried RARing all but the nine minute 30 second interview, but still too big.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 12:31 am
 
Elvis was mad the Beatles out-sold him. He contacted Richard Nixon and got an honorary badge from the FBI.
Elvis can eat a bag of dicks from his grave.
Fuck a snitch-narc.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 12:34 am
 

Is Dig Lazarus Dig any good

its brilliant
it may take you a couple listens to "get it," but well worth that labor
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 4:14 am
 
He contacted Richard Nixon and got an honorary badge from the FBI.

He got that badge from Hoover cause he was into 'secretely carrying' too.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 4:18 am
 
Elvis was mad the Beatles out-sold him

At his come back special he talks a bit about bands like The Beatles and so on, he also names a band called The Beards...
Heh heh.
Yeah, he was on point during that show.
It's some of my fave footage ever.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 4:21 am
 
by the way:
THIS Elvis belongs in a Nick Cave thread,
the other one doesn't,
not sure about Elton John though.
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 4:33 am
 
Elton John and Elvis Costello = piano rock. That shit rules!!!!!!!!

unlike Billy Joel. That's crappy piano rock!@
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 5:04 am
 
Elton John and Elvis Costello = piano rock


hm,
that one will need some time to sink in

cause I always thought Supertramp was pianorock
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 5:14 am
 
you should have seen him perform live in 1977! man
him and attractions at the Paramount in seattle the show was booked by a big fm station "catch a rising star" and the tix cost $1.77 me and the babe smoked a bunch of weed cause she had a ban on alcki since ludes fucked her liver in the early 7ts

anyway their set was mystical
Posted: Apr 28, 2008 5:22 pm
 
well, you gotta remember EC & the Attractions were def. a new sound in them days, i remember reading that they had used "new dub sound recording" or some such nonsense, i.e., dropping instruments out suddenly, in This Year's Model and that just blew everybody's mind for about 10 seconds.

It's been downhill since then for EC, IMHO. Bebe Buell must have sucked him dry.
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