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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 12:56 pm
 
Neil Young > Buff Spring/CSNY

Roky > 13th Floor?

Brian Eno > Roxy Music

Leslie West Band > Mountain

Fogerty > Golliwogs?

Andre Williams > Don Juans/Five Dollars

Gary Numan > Tubeway Army

Skip Spence > Jefferson Airplane

Flour > Rifle Sport
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:00 pm
 
Ice Cube>NWA
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:16 pm
 
I only really agree with Skip Spence. A couple others are too close to call (like Eno).
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:18 pm
 
Gary Numan > Tubeway Army

I'd go the opposite way on that one. Those TA singles on Beggar's Banquet destroy all.

Flour > Rifle Sport

But Flour < Breaking Circus
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:29 pm
 
Timberlake > 'N Sync
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:29 pm
 
Michael Jackson > Jackson 5
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:48 pm
 
I'm trying hard not to be contrary here, but I'm going to go with Trickknee on this one - I think I prefer the originals across the board there.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 1:51 pm
 
Robert Gordon > Tuff Darts
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:11 pm
 
Robert Gordon > Tuff Darts
apples and oranges

but speaking of tuff darts... jeff salen passed away earlier this year... just about unnoticed...
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:11 pm
 
NoBunny/Sneaky Pinks>Okmoniks
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:13 pm
 
but then again
Ozzy/Dio < Black Sabbath
Helios Creed < Chrome
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:20 pm | Edited by: paulyjerkface
 
I only really agree with Skip Spence. A couple others are too close to call (like Eno).

Skip Spence rules 'n all, but I'd probably take Jefferson Airplane & Moby Grape over his solo stuff. "Oar" is definitely a mood record for me though, and when I am in the mood for it, nothing else sound better.

Eno vs. Roxy Music is too close to call for me.

I don't agree with most of the others.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:31 pm
 
Syd Barrett beats Pink Floyd big time.
Peter Gabriel is a little less crappy than Genesis, too.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:45 pm
 
Ola Brunkert > ABBA
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:47 pm
 
alex chilton solo is better than with the box tops, but not big star.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 2:50 pm
 
Michael Nesmith > the Monkees
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:01 pm
 
Wrong on both counts, dude.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:02 pm
 
Alex Chilton is one where I know that I personally think "Like Flies..." is his best-ever work, but I'm not going to argue with anyone who likes Big Star better.

Disagree on the Monkees, ABBA, Syd (though it's a close one)...Tuff Darts is probably correct, Nobunny Pinks I guess I agree....but both are great.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:03 pm
 
bands > solo dreck
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:27 pm
 
Shit, I would take Tuff Darts over Robert Gordan any day.

I might like Rungren's solo stuff as a whole more than either Nazz LP's, but that's a tough call.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:39 pm | Edited by: Mullett
 
I heard this question today & thought it was a good one. Sure, the original band is almost always better, but there's gotta be some cases where it was good for the artist to lose the band.

Bjork>Sugarcubes?

I don't think much of the Rob Zombie solo stuff, but he didn't blow up 'til he lost the band.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:43 pm
 
"Like Flies..." is his best-ever work
i would agree if he had put the bankok single on it, like the reissues. still i think big star is better because jody stephens is such a whoop ass drummer, and of course, chris bell's input.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:49 pm
 
yankee rose > anything offa those last 2 dlr van halen records
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 4:06 pm
 
George Harrison > George's Beatles songs
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 5:53 pm
 

George Harrison > George's Beatles songs


That's interesting. Ever since we got Help, I've been playing the shit out of "I Need You."
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 5:55 pm | Edited by: bradx
 
i think harrisons beatles stuff pretty much sucks, and his post beatles shit is even worse. the only thing he was good at is aping chuck berry leads.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 5:57 pm
 
savoy truffle, taxman, and blue jay way were all decent.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 5:57 pm
 
yet another promising thread turned into a beatles reacharound. awesome.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:03 pm
 
george harrison's beatles songs - well i like em

don't bother me
i need you
i want to tell you
tax man
blue jay way
savoy truffle
i me mine
within you without you
SOMETHING
here comes the sun
its all too much

and so many more... that said, i think ALL THINGS MUST PASS and a slew of his early solo singles are great. i'm not much of a fan of CLOUD 9 even though george IS my fave beatle
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:08 pm
 
Wings>Beatles
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:23 pm
 
seamus, have you had your fill of silly love songs?
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:31 pm
 
bradx > lsok

errr, or should that be "huskier than"?
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:33 pm
 
propane propane > here comes the sun
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:02 pm
 
This will probably get so poo flung at me, but how 'bout the following:

Otis Redding > Pine Toppers
Curtis Mayfield > Impressions
Wilson Pickett > Falcons
Rick James > Myna Birds

I can't say that I would call Diana Ross any better than the Supremes
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:32 pm
 
propane propane
time to start the flame...
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:36 pm
 
yet another promising thread turned into a beatles reacharound. awesome.
Let's all get in the hot tub - I have no problem going on record with the following:
Ringo Starr>Beatles

Alex Chilton is one where I know that I personally think "Like Flies..." is his best-ever work, but I'm not going to argue with anyone who likes Big Star better.
My day to agree with Trickknee.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:38 pm
 
Keith Richards>Rolling Stones>Mick Jagger
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:47 pm
 
'Let's all get in the hot tub'. - The Driver


New. Goner. Board. Slogan!!!
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:58 pm
 
I love George's songs from the White Album onward, but his solo stuff is better.
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 8:37 pm
 
GG Allin < Jabbers
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 8:38 pm
 
Gerry Rafferty</= Steelers Wheel
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 9:59 pm
 
I am sure I will be lambasted for this, but I believe it to be the truth:

John Cale (particularly w/ Eno) > Velvet Underground
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 10:14 pm
 
I am sure I will be lambasted for this, but I believe it to be the truth:

John Cale (particularly w/ Eno) > Velvet Underground


Please let me be the first ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHHA....
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 10:54 pm
 
Dee Dee King > The Ramones
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 11:43 pm
 
Iggy Pop > Stooges
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:20 am
 
I am sure I will be lambasted for this, but I believe it to be the truth:

John Cale (particularly w/ Eno) > Velvet Underground


i agree w/ you!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:30 am
 
nope. tubeway army > gary numan.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:41 am
 
nope. tubeway army > gary numan.


All right, all right, I knew I was stretchin' it.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:43 am | Edited by: bradx
 
how about bands where the replacement singer was better than the original?
ACDC, for example were better with bon scott than with dave evans. dave evans sang on the first acdc 7".

Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:56 am
 
how about bands where the replacement singer was better than the original?

Nope. Start a new thread.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c190/gmullett/IMGP2351.jpg
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 1:12 am
 
ok. (fart)
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 11:51 am | Edited by: dirtywhite
 
Henry Rollins talking > Rollins Band
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:03 pm
 
Kevin Bacon > Bacon Brothers
Johnny Depp > Pee
Gary Busey > Busey Signals
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:08 pm
 
russell crowe> 30 Odd Foot of Grunts
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:13 pm
 
Keanu Reeves > Dogstar

No. I take that back. Nothing's worse than his acting.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:18 pm
 
John Cale over VU? Fuck that!!!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:30 pm
 
Moby > Flipper
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:33 pm
 
Moby > Flipper

Is this some sort of swimming mammal joke?

Vatican Commandos > Moby
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:48 pm
 
dog shit > moby
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:54 pm | Edited by: satchmykels
 
moby > grapple
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:56 pm
 
skip spence > moby grape
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:57 pm
 
moby > all music
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 12:58 pm
 
Roky > 13th Floor?

I think this is just plain wrong!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 1:12 pm
 
skip spence > moby grape

As much as I love Oar I REALLY don't think so.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 1:18 pm
 
Grapples suck!!!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 1:38 pm
 
I know some people would probably say

Richard Thompson>Fairport Convention
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 1:47 pm
 
how about bands where the replacement singer was better than the original?
ACDC, for example were better with bon scott than with dave evans. dave evans sang on the first acdc 7".


Yeah, but "Rockin' in the Parlor" is one of thee best AC/DC songs. Is there a version with Bon Scott singing that? Can't imagine his voice on it, but would love it hear it if it exists.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 2:01 pm
 
Grapples suck!!!

yeah, the package said the motherfuckers were supposed to taste like grapes! they didn't taste like fucking grapes, they were just kinda extra sweet. ptooooey
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 2:07 pm
 
John Cale over VU?

paris 1919 - one of the greatest records ever made. by anyone. anywhere.
slow dazzle is pretty damn good too.
what about his contributions on june 1, 1974 - the live record w/ eno, nico & kevin ayers?

i love VU as much as the next person but for my listening pleasure, john cale pretty much stomps everyone
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 2:15 pm | Edited by: ottawarockerdude
 
mo tucker's album 'I Spent a Week There the Other Night' from 91 or so is so good. "fired up" is the best fucking song ever - reed, cale, & morrison all play on that song. the ramones should've got her to join when tommy left - moey ramone! well, i do love marky though
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 4:09 pm
 
Yeah, I mean, there are some good post-VU moments, but for fucksakes the Velvet Undergound put out several MONSTER studio albums that changed the face of music without even generating significant sales. I say you're fucked picking any post-VU project over VU. Fucked, I say!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 4:37 pm
 
When was the last time you listened to Fear (album not band)? That record blows VU out of the water.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 4:38 pm
 
what about his contributions on june 1, 1974 - the live record w/ eno, nico & kevin ayers?
I don't know what happened there, but no amount of clout or talent could polish that turd...ugh.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 4:38 pm
 
April Fools!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 4:47 pm
 
Kevin Bacon > Bacon Brothers
Johnny Depp > Pee
Gary Busey > Busey Signals
russell crowe> 30 Odd Foot of Grunts
Keanu Reeves > Dogstar


Don't forget:
Jared Leto>30 Seconds to Mars
Michael Damian>Whatever his "Rock On" band was...
...and Depp was in P, not Pee (SF indie rock silliness).
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 5:06 pm
 
When was the last time you listened to Fear (album not band)? That record blows VU out of the water.

that statement bears repeating

but but but.... what about his contributions on june 1, 1974 - the live record w/ eno, nico & kevin ayers?
I don't know what happened there, but no amount of clout or talent could polish that turd...ugh.


KEVIN AYERS - live "may i" is just so superbly eurotrash!
i like that you can totally vision that concert... i mean... 1974... it was not like anything i had ever heard or seen. it mesmerized me
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 5:46 pm
 
Roky > 13th Floor?

I think this is just plain wrong!


Hey, I put a question mark behind it. I knew it was a stretch. However, I will say that "The Interpreter" is my favorite song that he did in either band.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 5:55 pm
 
what the fuck, i'll go there

johnny thunders & the heartbreakers > ny dolls
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:02 pm
 
I agree with CrucialDude, at least in terms of the records. VU still = fucked, though.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:11 pm
 
El Duce solo tape> Mentors' Metal Blade era.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:13 pm
 
I agree with CrucialDude, at least in terms of the records.

me too
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:35 pm
 
johnny thunders & the heartbreakers > ny dolls

Live? not from what I saw - I'll assume Thunders/Lure/Rath/Nolan? - when they were on, they were pretty cool (and pretty much without competition) but there was a limit to what they could/would do. Whereas the Dolls in full flight were all about possibilities - way more interesting.

No argument - LAMF is one of the great Rock n Roll records.

While we're at it, Richard Hell>Television.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:45 pm
 
Richard Hell>Television.
No way!
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 6:50 pm
 
Yeah, but "Rockin' in the Parlor" is one of thee best AC/DC songs. Is there a version with Bon Scott singing that? Can't imagine his voice on it, but would love it hear it if it exists.

i dont think so. theres not even a version of brian johnson singing "can i sit next to you girl"
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 7:03 pm
 
Richard Hell>Television.
No way!


i second that

i have a great many reasons to be hyper critical of television, and yet, they are without peer in that thing they do.

hell's great but verlaine is greater
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 7:45 pm
 
Richard Hell>Television.
No way!


Kudos for a ballsy statement, but I don't think I can echo this sentiment either.

johnny thunders & the heartbreakers > ny dolls

Ditto.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 11:00 pm
 
The Dolls were way better than the Heartbreakers....I like the Heartbreakers but a)they kinda bore me, b)they had no real singer.

Dolls>Hearbreakers....eeasily c'mon get crucial people.
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 11:18 pm
 
Heartbreakers- L.A.M.F. > both Dolls Lps.. Which I love by the way...
I also don't take away points for the many many many SHITTY covers from LAMF....
Posted: Mar 20, 2008 12:16 am
 
yeah ill maybe agree on the wax but as a live band the dolls killed it. not even close.

here's my favorite, ny dolls on don kirschners rock concert




stranded in the jungle, personality crisis, trash, and chatterbox.
Posted: Mar 20, 2008 3:09 am
 
Diamond Dave, Crazy From the Heat > Van Hagar
...but:
Van Hagar = Daimond Dave/Van Halen reunion tour plus Wolfie VH
Posted: Mar 20, 2008 7:27 am
 
Roky > 13th Floor?

I go back and forth on this. Sometimes I think that Tommy Hall's lyrics get in the way of a killer fucking band with the Elevators.
Posted: Mar 21, 2008 11:21 am
 
LAMF is kinda boring. I dunno the best Dolls songs absolutely kill the Heartbreakers.

I mean "Born to Lose" is a cool song, the first 5 times you hear.

I used to be a huge LAMF fan now, but I can't sit through it at all now...still a good set of songs admitedly
Posted: Mar 21, 2008 12:45 pm | Edited by: frankie teardrop
 
Stiv Bators > Dead Boys
Cub Koda > Brownsville Station
Posted: Mar 21, 2008 12:47 pm
 
Henry Rollins talking > Rollins Band

smashing my face repeatedly with a hammer > Henry Rollins talking
Posted: Mar 21, 2008 7:34 pm
 
John Doe < X
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 11:12 am
 
Alejandro Escovdeo > Rank & File
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 12:37 pm
 
Alejandro Escovdeo > Rank & File

He was in Nuns before that.

smashing my face repeatedly with a hammer > Henry Rollins talking

Best observation in this thread.

Cub Koda > Brownsville Station

Wasn't he in The Del-Tinos before that?

Stiv Bators > Dead Boys

Kudos for going out on a limb, but put down the crackpipe.
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:29 pm
 
joe walsh>eagles
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:49 pm
 
Crazy From the Heat
I would like to add Roth's "Eat 'em and Smile as > anything by Van Hagar
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:53 pm
 
What about:

Wanderers > Dead Boys

hahaha
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 2:56 pm
 
boz saggs > steve miller band
Posted: Mar 24, 2008 4:15 pm
 
Rock of Love with Brett Michaels > Poison
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 10:53 am
 
Alejandro Escovdeo > Rank & File

He was in Nuns before that.

Yep, but I thought this was based on first-hand. Never saw the Nuns, saw The True Believes though (shout out to the Antenna)

Glenn Danzig > Misfits/Samhain

Here's the video to prove it
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 11:06 am
 
scott walker > walker brothers

richard thompson > fairport

(ouch)

paul desmond solo > brubeck quartet
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 1:01 pm
 
Richard Hell>Television

c'mon, you saw Hell with Television? Never met anybody with that claim.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 3:14 pm
 
Nope, never saw Hell with Television - did see New York Dolls, Television, The Heartbreakers, and The Voidoids. So, that's me going out on a limb (Hell>Televison) I stand by it though, I think (and I remain a fan of Tom Verlaine's work) Richard Hell with The Voidoids took on the history and baggage of Rock'n'Roll and made a smart and funny and wild record (Blank Generation) that held it's own and then some. I don't think Richard could have done that with Television, even if it had been his band.

Never met anybody who saw The Neon Boys, but there's one band I wish I'd seen.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 4:04 pm
 
I only really like 2 songs on "Blank Generation." It took me at least 15 years, but I now think the first Television album's great. I'll take Television here easy. I'm sure it's different if yer 60 yrs old and actually saw these bands.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 4:17 pm
 

Wanderers > Dead Boys


no fucking way

i saw ALL of the wanderers shows, each and every one of them and you are wrong, in my opinion
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 4:20 pm
 
I'm sure it's different if yer 60 yrs old and actually saw these bands.

you only have to be 50 to have seen these bands.... it wasn't THAT long ago
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 4:55 pm | Edited by: paulyjerkface
 
I love that Voidoids LP. Same with the Neon Boys EP.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 4:57 pm
 
it wasn't THAT long ago

just call me "Pops".

a lot of it was getting to it early. I made a trip to NYC at 18, saw all the CBGB's acts, including Television -- but never w/Hell.

it's not an age thing, more a popularity thing. these bands were playing to the same 100 people, most of them other musicians, until early 1977.
I wonder how many shows Hell actually played with Television anyway.

Agree that Blank Generation album was a blast. it was Quine. altho Hell's writing talents were so outrageous, a real new message to take to heart

every band was so different from each other.
the sleazy rock 'n roll thing left over from Dolls was fun too, sure beat the hippy and disco shit all over the place at the time
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 6:30 pm
 
Are there any Van Morrison experts on the Goner Board?
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 6:35 pm
 
Time for Eric O to put out a solo LP so we can debate its relative merits on this thread.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 6:40 pm
 
Are there any Van Morrison experts on the Goner Board?

not an expert, but i have a lot of his music
are you wondering if anyone thinks

them>van
or
van>them

having seen van dozens of times, i must say... it seems like he hates people, audiences or performing even though he can deliver
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 7:05 pm
 
are you wondering if anyone thinks

them>van
or
van>them

Yes, that's what I'm wondering. Considering that Them wasn't around too long with Van in the band, had a couple of well known songs (including a bone fide garage classic, covered by thousands, etc.) is that enough to trump years of assholeism vs. his music on a stand-alone basis.

Again, I don't really know his stuff at all other than the hits.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 7:46 pm
 
i think van as a songwriter is among the world's finest.... the Them singles with him are astounding - i mean... "mystic eyes" i like way better than "gloria," and neither can be denied their greatness or influence on years and years of bands to follow...

that said... van morrison's body of work as a songwriter and performer post-THEM is also astounding, memorable, classic and varied....

the albums Astral Weeks, Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St Dominic's Preview, Hard Nose the Highway, Into the Mystic... jeez... the singles... Brown Eyed Girl, Crazy Love, Domino, Wild Night, Jackie Wilson Said, Blue Money, Moondance, Wavelength, Have I Told You Lately...

yeah - even if it is just the hits....

he was probably an asshole since the day he was born... but why hold it against him?
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 9:05 pm
 
Yep, but I thought this was based on first-hand. Never saw the Nuns, saw The True Believes though (shout out to the Antenna)

I never considered that. I sure as shit didn't see Tubeway Army.

the albums Astral Weeks, Moondance, Tupelo Honey, St Dominic's Preview, Hard Nose the Highway, Into the Mystic... jeez... the singles... Brown Eyed Girl, Crazy Love, Domino, Wild Night, Jackie Wilson Said, Blue Money, Moondance, Wavelength, Have I Told You Lately...

Where's the love for Veedon Fleece? One of the best records for fukkin' every put down on tape.
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 9:15 pm
 

Where's the love for Veedon Fleece


its in the elipses
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 12:18 am
 
Blank Generation is a great record...two good songs my ass, Todd.

I like Television too even though they're just an East Coast art school pseudointellectual version of the Grateful Dead...all scales
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 8:00 am
 
Blank Generation's bored me for 25 years, just can't get into it. I like the Neon Boys stuff better. Something about Richard Hell rubs me the wrong way, and not the way he wanted to wrong-rub people. I love Marquee Moon. It's not "punk," but neither am I so we get along smashingly.
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 9:46 am
 
he was probably an asshole since the day he was born... but why hold it against him?

I'm with you. If I were to base my appreciation soley on whether or not they were an asshole, I would have alot less records and never get out. Face it, "Nice Boys Don't Play Rock n Roll". Plus, I'd bet Mr. Rollins doesn't keep himself up at night worrying about what you think.
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 1:02 pm
 
I don't care if he's an asshole or not, just saying that he "rubs me the wrong way." This has to do with his singing, lyrics, etc., musical things.
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 1:07 pm
 
them>van
i like that one
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 1:11 pm
 
I remember playing Marquee Moon for my neighbor from LA and he said "sounds just like the Doors to me". I think he fancied himself a Jim Morrison type -- later ended up selling shoes, ha ha.


re VAN Morrison -------- he plays a lot in SF because his daughter lives around here ... the tickets are always hella expensive but a few years back I got one behind the stage for $20. The cheap seats are usually like $100.
It was Jackie Wilson's birthday and he did "Jackie Wilson Said" -- I yelled out Happy Birthday (which made the hushed yuppie crowd shift on their wallets) and he turned around and shot a look in my direction. I might have been the only one there who even knew who Jackie Wilson was.

By all accounts he's a miserable type person but who cares?

And what other genuine garage rocker has had such a long illustrious post-band career?
Van > Them

have to admit, however, some of those arrangements from the 80's dated, esp. all the french horn shit. or was it an oboe?
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 2:51 pm | Edited by: paulyjerkface
 
Quine's guitar playing on "Blank Generation" is some of my favorite. Great songwriting/lyrics/vocals as well.. I could see the album as a whole not rocking enough for some (although you can't fuck with "Love Comes In Spurts", "Down at the Rock N Roll Club" or the title track), but otherwise surprised so many people don't like it.
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 11:08 pm
 
Exactly, the guitar interplay between Quine and Julian is a hell of a lot more interesting than Verlaine and Lloyd just playing a bunch of scales. Don't get me wrong, I love Marquee Moon too especially Lloyd's solo on "Elevation"...even though it 's just another scale.

Timmy V took a lot of influenced from Hell vocally at least in a lot of the Clone Defects stuff.
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 11:21 pm
 
a bunch of scales.

well... they are the foundation of everything.
sorry... classically trained pianist talking here...

carry on.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 7:53 am
 
the guitar interplay between Quine and Julian is a hell of a lot more interesting than Verlaine and Lloyd just playing a bunch of scales.
For me - absolutely. Bob Quine kills me with his solos every time, but it should also be noted, Ivan Julian's a way under-rated player (I took dates to Matthew Sweet shows so I could watch Ivan play - who was way more fun to watch than Richard Lloyd was in the same context)
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 12:31 pm
 
Wanderers > Dead Boys

no fucking way

i saw ALL of the wanderers shows, each and every one of them and you are wrong, in my opinion



It was a joke. That Wanderers shit is over-produced to extreme grossness.
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 12:31 pm
 
AIDS > HIV
Posted: Mar 28, 2008 4:31 am
 
Oh yeah, how could have I forgotten...

Gene Clark > The Byrds
Posted: Mar 28, 2008 10:18 am
 
gene clark is my hero but i wld still take the byrds over him (ands partially BECAUSE of his songs)

btw

i saw TV with hell in clevo

punky and fascinating, but children having fun
i saw TV with quine--another hero--the next yr for a series of shows at bottom line and they were all grown up. they blew everyone's mind. seriously. no0 contest. but i love half of blank generation and i love smithereens the movie and i like some of hell's writings.

but television with quine and byrds with gene are top 10 acts of all time for me. and i ain't NEAR 60.
Posted: Mar 28, 2008 10:33 am
 
Just like I ain't near 40. I'll go with the Byrds, too. The band dynamic is almost always gonna win out. Team sports > individual sports.
Posted: Mar 28, 2008 3:15 pm
 
television with quine

wow, never heard about that. verlaine/quine combo would have had to been prodigious
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 1:58 am
 
Big Baby Jesus>Ol' Dirty Bastard>Wu Tang Clan<Ghost Dog s/t
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 11:21 am
 
[i]i think van as a songwriter is among the world's finest.... the Them singles with him are astounding - i mean... "mystic eyes" i like way better than "gloria," and neither can be denied their greatness or influence on years and years of bands to follow... [i]

Or what about "If You And I Could Be As Two"? Almost the ENTIRE Them output is amazing. After all, I think they only released two proper albums, both of which are killer.

[i]that said... van morrison's body of work as a songwriter and performer post-THEM is also astounding, memorable, classic and varied.... [i]

This is true. I do think Van Morrison (along with Otis Redding) is probably the greatest rock/r'n'b vocalist of his generation, however...

[i]the albums *********, Moondance, Tupelo Honey, **********, Hard Nose the Highway, Into the Mystic... jeez... the singles... Brown Eyed Girl, Crazy Love, Domino, Wild Night, Jackie Wilson Said, Blue Money, Moondance, Wavelength, Have I Told You Lately... [i]

...aren't all that great. For me, the only post-Them Van records worth listening to are the Bang Sessions, Astral Weeks, Veedon Fleece, and St. Dominick's Preview. But they're so good that they might make up for the heaps of shitty records (Wild Nights? Really?) littering his career.

So, THEM= consistent high-level output
Van= inconsistent output, but I think the highs are higher than anything else he's ever done.
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 12:56 pm
 
Ol' Dirty Bastard>Wu Tang Clan

Now we're talkin'.
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 1:10 pm
 
Team sports > individual sports.

even though she's still rockin', had some good solo singles, and i got respect for her...

the runaways>joan jett
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 1:35 pm
 
Wild Nights? Really?

you don't think that's a great radio single, joe? i was talking about van's singles when i dropped that one
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 4:42 pm
 
Team sports > individual sports.


individual sports = skills competition = not really a sport
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 9:24 pm
 
Huey Lewis and the News "Sports">Individual Sports Skills Competition

...or is that apples and oranges again?
Posted: Apr 1, 2008 10:30 pm
 
individual sports = skills competition = not really a sport

Tennis is an individual sport & is definately a sport. Difficult one, too.
Posted: Apr 4, 2008 12:05 pm
 
tennis is gay
Posted: Apr 4, 2008 12:25 pm
 
Willie D. > Geto Boys
Boxing > all other sports
Posted: Apr 4, 2008 2:38 pm
 
Sting>Police

Cream>Eric Clapton

Stray Cats>Brian Setzer Orch.

Cher>Sonny & Cher

Dr. Dre<NWA

Robert Plant<Led Zeppelin

Jimi Hendrix<Band of Gypsys
Posted: Apr 4, 2008 3:50 pm
 
I think I'd probably take Eno over Roxy Music, though I love both. There ain't a chance in hell that solo Numan's better than Tubeway Army, though.
Posted: Apr 4, 2008 7:11 pm | Edited by: frankenspline
 
Gram Parsons > Flying Burrito Bros

Colin Newman "A to Z" > Wire

Mike Watt > fIREHOSE < Minutemen

PiL > Sex Pistols

Nick Lowe > Rockpile
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 3:48 am
 
Uh, solo Colin over Wire? No. Ditto on the SP v. PiL thing. Now you're reaching.
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 12:46 pm
 
the FIRST Colin solo record (A to Z) is pretty much the fourth Wire record, and superior to anything they put out afterwards...

Yeah, I was reaching.
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 12:47 pm
 
oh...and Metal Box destroys all that anarchy bullshit
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 5:28 pm
 
the FIRST Colin solo record (A to Z) is pretty much the fourth Wire record, and superior to anything they put out afterwards...

This record is awesome, though!
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 10:02 pm
 
Metal Box doesn't destroy much of anything. It's OK, but so is petting dogs and walking.
Posted: Apr 5, 2008 11:13 pm
 
no way brah petting dogs totally dominates

walking is overrated
Posted: Apr 6, 2008 7:12 am
 
I really can't think of how PiL would ever top the Pistols, hype and all. The dumb imagery is, uh, dumb, but so is disco.
Posted: Apr 6, 2008 11:06 am
 
billy childish > pop rivets
Posted: Apr 7, 2008 7:01 pm
 
hey mullet could you email me when you get a chance, it's in profile
Posted: Apr 8, 2008 12:06 pm
 
take Eno over Roxy Music


you mean, for naptime?

c'mon, Roxy could bring it, Eno was a conceptual knobtwiddler
Posted: Apr 10, 2008 6:38 pm
 
Mary Timony > Autoclave
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