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eric o
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:54 am

10,000 bucks... damn.

Posted: Nov 8, 2003 12:48 pm
Eric..... It's cheaper than this one that I was lookin' at about 3 years ago.... The one I was lookin' at was about $20,000.....
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 7:26 pm
If I could get more than 500 dollars for my car, I'd sell it to buy one of those things.

Anyway, does anyone know how to hook a cd burner up to a turn table? Don't you need a special adaptor or something?

moody prick
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 7:51 pm
Well, you'll need a preamp and a decent sound card. Software, obviously, and then you can make this all as simple or complicated as you've got time, money or inclination. Same goes for hooking up your cassette deck.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:13 pm
Cool, so what kind of pre-amp are we talking about? Would my stereo work? I got an old tube PA, I sometimes use as pre-amp for guitar....basically, do I just need to plug it into my stereo, and have a burning program that can copy in real time?
Womb Raider
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:16 pm
My record player is hooked up to my computer via the REC OUT plugs on the back of a 1970's Sony receiver, going into the LINE IN plug on my sound card. All you need is a stereo RCA to 1.5mm phono cable, which they have at radio shack. Likewise, the LINE OUT on my sound card is hooked into the AUX IN on the sony reciever so I can listen to mp3's and watch porn through a 200 watt amp instead of some chintsy computer speakers. Do it this way and you'll never go back to computer speakers.

Can't wait till I get my new computer w/ SB AUDIGY II Platinum sound card. Anyone have one of these? Are they really worth the extra cash?

Womb Raider
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:18 pm
and Chris, there is no such thing as a CD burning program that records in real time. You either gotta get one of those shelftop stereo component CD recorders, or you have to record all your records to WAV files and then burn them to CD. it's kind of a pain in the ass, especially if you want each song on its own track.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 8:55 pm
Thanks, that's good info...I already have my computer hooked up to my mixer like that....I think I will shell out a hundred or so for a 24 bit sound card, and plug it into that 60 dollar pentium I bought off ebay...Do you think this should work? I mean if I delete all the other programs. I haven't bought the cdburner yet...so which did you say is best for my needs? Thanks Chris.
kevin e
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:00 pm
There are a fair amount of freeware/shareware programs for this. I've been using one called SoundStudio. It is not very sophisticated but it records the sound to an .aif file in real time. Then you can open it up get rid of any noise before or after the song but you can't do anything about pops during songs. From there you have to use another program to make it into a .mp3 and you're good to go.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:04 pm
Cool I'm pretty sure I have the shareware version of Soundstudio.....i got alot of programs I don't know how to use yet...via..bootleg.

anyway, I want the best and simplest shit for a moron like myself to use with relative little headache...whenever people talk about converting files it scares the shit out of me...oh yeah, maybe I should also mention that my sisters a computer animation major, and she just bought one of those computers Chris is talking about...she realy likes it, but I think I might have fucked it up already...dude you can email me about it if your interested.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:06 pm
From what she's told me is there's going to be all kinds of hi-fi music shit coming out for computers, because that's what alot of people are using them for.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:10 pm
Hey Chris, are you talking about those Dell what u ma call ems that are like black and shit? all I know is it's got one of those audigy sound cards....no way she'll let me hook my gear up on it thow...
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:10 pm
CD creater has a section just for recording records to cds in basically real time. It works really well.
Womb Raider
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:11 pm
I would not install a 24 bit sound card into a 60 dollar pentium machine, it might work but it seems unlikely to me. It's damn near impossible to tell the difference between a 24 bit recording and a 16 bit recording anyway.

Honestly, Chris, I think since you're looking at buying a CD burner and a sound card anyway, I would just buy one of those shelftop component CD burners. they're what, $200, $300? that way you can do it in real time and I think some of them separate the tracks out automatically.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:14 pm
I think that sounds like the best thing...I know we've talked about 16 vs 24 bit cards before...so basically, do I even need to have those Shelftop burners hooked up to a computer? is like just another component for your stereo? I can't find any info about it yet.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:28 pm
Yep this is what I need. I was just looking at some stuff about the Yamaha CDR-D651....what's the difference between something that bills itself as a CD Changer, vs. a CD-Recorder?

Because this seems like the main difference between the Yamaha CDR-D651 and the Yamaha CDR-S1000.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 9:34 pm
I think I figured it out...cd changers have "dual drawers" where as a cd recorder needs to be plugged into a cd player.
buck wilders
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:24 pm
The vinyl cutters are very cool indeed,but the needle is only good for about 5 to 6 cuts. New needles run about $200-$300...uh... go somewhere and have it done.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 8, 2003 11:29 pm
You can make needles thow can't you? How can Dead Moon afford to do it?
Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 9, 2003 10:47 pm
What i don't get, if it's so expensive to cut vinyl. How did Lee Perry and the rest of those sods pour out hundreds of dub plates in the 70s?!!?

buck wilders
Posted: Nov 9, 2003 11:02 pm
They bought damaged record presses for cheap. That's why most old and rare dub records have off-centered labels and groves. A friend of mine has a fucking great dub collection. Most of them have the cheap ass covers and crooked labels.
Posted: Nov 10, 2003 1:20 am
And the pressing plants are always sub par too. They even leave windows open in the Jamaican plants and you can oftentimes get records with debris in 'em.
ed oblivian
Posted: Nov 10, 2003 1:34 am
That debris is no accident, the jamaican pressing plants used junk vinyl mixed with wood and all kinds of other shit ground up to cut costs on manufacturing. You can make already sub-par vinyl go a long way when you cut it with 20% wood chips. By the way, on that vinyl cutter, how much do the blank discs cost? Not cheap I'll bet.
Posted: Nov 10, 2003 3:10 am
12" acetates are something like $US25-30 each, Corduroy used to get 'em shipped over from this joint in New Jersey.

I heard some of the American majors started recycling LPs in the early 70s. They started out grinding up the whole LP, it took 'em a while to twig that they had to punch out the labels to avoid getting paper flakes in the mix.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 10, 2003 10:38 pm
The Jamaican dub scene was realy unique and inovative...like roaming music studios in vans and shit, that would record anybody they thought was good.....Some people would be amazed to know that poor people are innovative as hell.
eric o
Posted: Nov 10, 2003 11:17 pm
i hope they cleaned all that stuff up when they reissued it on cd for all the fraternity kids and npr listeners.

maybe got rid of that annoying cheap echo effect, too.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:45 am
I think the appeal of Dub music to most kids is how dirty it sounds...all I have are cds that I got when I was a kid...and they all sound dirty as hell...like Dr.Dre's chronic....They remastered every Led Zeppelin cd that got putout...but I think there's different politics with DJ Music...I mean U-Roy was basically just singing over old ska and soul records...

I like the cheap echo affects...I just don't like it when Dub Reggae started to get like the Alligator Records treatment....like when they moved into cheap 80's studios...that sounds horrible...good for the blues thow.

Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:50 am
I may reaching outside the guidelines of usual convo for his board. But i don't think there is anything "dirty" (cept the filthy lyrical prowess!) production wise about Dr.Dre's "The Chronic". In fact i think it's brillantly produced. Now those early BDP albums are kinda gritty and underproduced.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:52 am
Also alot of the reason they could afford to put records out, was because the bands had investors....like thier were rival dj gangs, who were basically sponsored by local business owners, who became like record producers...alot of times it'd get violent, with like rival camps rolling up and firing machine guns into dance clubs and shit, and smashing each others studios up...Just because they all wanted to have a monopoly on the dancehall scene.....So basically they had managers that helped them get thier stuff out thier, and were willing to invest money in the music.....basically no different then what the Beatles or Kiss had....they both had core investors putting thier music out....The thing with Kiss thow, was Gene Simmons had the foresight to buy the rights to everything Kiss.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:54 am
Jakey Stiff, you don't think sampling a twenty year old George Clinton album sounds dirty as fuck? Listen to Nothing But a G-Thang...that songs dirty as fuck....nasty production...genious production but nasty.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 12:56 am
That's the thing about DJ music, that's why they don't remaster alot of shit...I mean U-Roy was singing over scratched up 45s...how the hell will your remaster that crap? It's 2 tracks.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 1:02 am
The worst fuckin production on a rap song I've ever heard is that M&M joker, with his song where they sample Aerosmiths Dream On....the sample they use, sounds worse than this copy of Draw the Line I got from a thrift store, that had no fuckin dust cover and was being used to support a table leg.

Every thing M&M does is a parody of good rap....he's a fuckin joker. Dre's no genious either, Chronics a good album thow.

Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 6:46 pm
Well if your talking about the source material for Dr.Dre's album, alot of it was replayed and live instruments were used. I think it's only murkyness was intentional (on some songs the samples you can tell were derived from the vinyl).

Posted: Nov 11, 2003 7:06 pm
That first BDP was rill durty. Cheap ass busted 808 sound...easily their hardest alb. not including those Scott La Rock remix bootlegs. Alot of times producers add vinyl surface noise to make it sound authentic. You can always tell it's not real. No rap producer wants it there by accident, esp. Dre. I've never heard a rap record with legitimate surface noise from the sample...'cept mebbe something from the end of De La Soul's Three Is The Magic Number.
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 8:46 pm
"Do Rags"-Nas has that shit-ass fake vinyl surface noise. BOOOOOO-ring. It sounds so clean otherwise. I guess it's kind of "cute", but don't tell him I said that the next time y'all chillin'.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 8:52 pm
I guess Dre is known for his "clean" style....like I saw this intervue one time, where he was saying people didn't think a Rap album could be as slick as Chronic....but stupid white me, I hear fuzz and think it's dirty....I seriously don't think Rappers know what the fuck they're doing....I'm sure thier like a thousand times more professional than GNR ever were....but yeah I think even the smartest are pretty fuckin stupid....Jewish Rap ala Beastie Boys or Rick Rubin I guess is all right.

I used to have that DeLa Soul album that had El Segundo and all that crap on it....that shit was pretty dirty and good I guess.

Posted: Nov 11, 2003 9:01 pm
yo el segundo was a tribe called quest
wan't no de la soul

black madalyuns
no gold

moody prick
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 9:03 pm
The first couple of Schooly D 12s were pretty raw - all overloaded, and thick. Like the first Stooges record if they'd recorded at Black Ark.
eric o
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 9:39 pm
think one of those stetsasonic songs had crackle on the bass loop, can't remember now- but, according to them, miami's got the deepest bass anyway.
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 9:45 pm
What about "Jewish Rap" like 3rd Bass? Slammin'!

Can you think of the Stet song, Eric? I gotta be nerdy today on my day off and find it.

Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 9:57 pm
Pop goes the weasel cuz the weasel goes pop.....when I say Beastie Boys I realy mean 3rd Bass...I'm all screwed up.
eric o
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 10:08 pm
"talking all that jazz" off of "In Full Gear"???

i think that's the one. or i'm completely in the vapors...

Posted: Nov 11, 2003 10:12 pm
Fuck all d'em ol' school rappers! They don't hold a candle to the mighty L'Trimm!!!! "We like the cars, the cars that go boom, we're Tigra and Bunny and we like tha boom...."
moody prick
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 10:14 pm
can't leave out New Kingdom - that cut with the Sabbath sample
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 11:11 pm
NEW KINGDOM! Whoa! Lost in the 90's brah.

And whilst L'Trimm is mighty-mighty, they just holdin' up jocks in the back of the Suzuki jeeps, teenage fluff style. Gotta love em.

Womb Raider
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 11:26 pm
I just heard DEE DEE KING for the first time yesterday, and I gotta say.. it's pretty fuckin great.
Andrew Earles
Posted: Nov 11, 2003 11:53 pm
Both New Kingdom albums are super. Distorted, visceral, sludge-rock-lovin' hip hop that namedrops The Kentucky Headhunters. Managed to rock without including rock in the rap. Lost in the cracks.
moody prick
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:08 am
New Kingdom were wild as hell live - it was like complete sensory overload. But they must be some lazy mofos (weed) because they sure haven't done much since. You do need to hear Truckstop though.
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:12 am
Oh I liked em, but admit, they was lost causes for their time. My friend, Carolyn, from Kentucky introduced me to those kids long, long ago. Anyone know where they are now?
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:28 am
Are we talking about some Rap band called Kentucky Headhunters, or the 80's country band? If it's the country band, it's probbably a safe bet they relocated to Nashville....if it's some rap band....most the wiggers I know are into that one satanic rap band...what's thier name Gravediggers? Maybe they're connected.

Here's some info about Dee Dee's rap album... http://www.ramonesonline.com/deedee.htm

Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:39 am
I don't know about y'all, but I meant to be talking about the Georgia Satellites.
moody prick
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:43 am
We're talking New Kingdom. Lyrics something along the line of "I fold my hat like a trucker, got sideburns like a Kentucky Headhunter." Jason seems to be missing in action. Sebastian and Scot are/were Truckstop. Scotty (Hard) is the most visible with a lot of production credits (including the dreaded Medeski,Martin and...)
moody prick
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:45 am
ok, we can talk about Dan Baird now.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:45 am
So I figured out your talking about some rap-band called New Kingdom...but all the reviews just say that they were before thier time...because like The Roots is making it big with instruments and shit....but I can't find anything about them being from Kentucky...
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 12:47 am
The Roots is to Arrested Development for me...I hate all that shit....rap for rich black folk and white people...it sucks.....Nappy Roots suck too.
Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 1:24 am
Hey. I know Scotty Hard. Someone was telling me the kid was legendary in some circles. Go fucking figure.

Satanic midwestern "wiggers" are into ICP and Esham.

Old Esham is some pretty creepy music. Actually far more convinving than death metal in that regard.

Posted: Nov 12, 2003 1:40 am
My friend was from Kentucky who introduced me to them, for all I know, they are from Brooklyn.
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 2:05 am
Esham is pretty freakin' evil. I don't think even the midwest wiggers care about ICP anymore...
buck wilders
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 2:24 am
As far as people sampling cds or cdrs goes ,I think you would be surprised how many pepole do actually sample records. They spend a lot of time trying to filter out the snaps & cracks. Also there are such things as MINT records that can still be bought without it being the new YO LA TENGO. If you have ever listened to like let's say ...uh DJ Shadow. Every second of his records were made from records. Do they have snaps on them? Nope. Some stuff you can't get on cd or off the internet. The DE LA SOUL "3 is the magic number" is from a kids record called "Mutiplication Rock" which I doubt is in high demand to be burned on cds now a days. There are cracks in it because that might be the only copy they ever found,not because they want it to sound old.
Andy Kaufman
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 2:59 am
didn't feel like reading all the replies, but as far as burning CDs from vinyl, all you need is the following (everyone on the planet can be assumed to have a soundcard, and if you are reading this board and use vinyl, you obviously have a pre-amp, so it doesn't matter):

- an adaptor from radio shack that has RCA plugs (red and white) on one end and a walkman sized headphone plug on the other.

- a decent sound recording program (Sound Forge or any decent freeware/shareware program will do).

Plug the walkman plug into the "line-in" slot on your soundcard and the RCA plugs into any "OUT" port available on your pre-amp (usually there is one where you plug your tape deck into). voila. its as simple as that. next, you just record the vinyl with a decent sound recording program (recording a side at a time and then breaking the tracks up individually is the best way to go about this) and burn the files on a CD accordingly when they're all broken up... There are even sound programs around (even freeware ones) made with the expressed purpose of doing vinyl and tape transfers to a computer and that claim to get rid of pops and skips, but I haven't fucked around with those yet.

Posted: Nov 12, 2003 4:59 am
let's see if this works:
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 5:01 am
here's the link instead:

[url] http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoochandbbq/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.dnm=burnit.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t[/url]

Posted: Nov 12, 2003 5:03 am
this should be everything you need to know about burning cds from lps/tapes/ even 8tracks.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 7:28 am
Dude, Buck Wilders, Multiplication Rock was a Schoolhouse Rock song that's about as fucking trendy as it gets....and all that shit is in high demand on cd, because people still use that crap to teach thier kids math.

So does that mean that you can get everything on cd? I wonder if I could find a digitaly remastered version of Telly Savalis singing with Oscar the Grouch, or Dion Warwick singing with Mr.Snufelpugus? Don't laugh, that's one of the most cherished records of my fuckin youth.

buck wilders
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 10:48 am
The Doctor apparently dosen't have a P.H.D. in English,if you could understand a word I've said you would know that I mean you can't get everything on cd. I've never quoted myself but,"some stuff you CAN'T get on cd or off the internet."
buck wilders
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 10:52 am
The cd on that website isn't even the record I'm talking about.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 12, 2003 10:35 pm
I can go up to 11!

I can go up to 11, G!

Posted: Nov 13, 2003 7:29 am
The UPDATE on our friends in New Kingdom by Miss Honeychild Coleman:

New Kingdom - well - Sebastian Laws is on both Spectre (Wordsound) albums that yours truly (me!) also have tracks on -
and Jayson is now known as J-Live - he raps with my friends Apollo Hts sometimes (they used to be the Veldt back in the day, were produced by the dude from the Cocteau Twins, and toured with the Pixies, Jesus & Mary Chain and My Bloody Valentine - now they wear leather pants wveryday and play all over the LES) - Jayson was on Morcheeba's big hit album "Part of the Process" and toured with them for a year or so -

me and my old roommate Adam were obsessed with them in 94 - they were THE FIRST BOYS IN BROOKLYN TO ROCK TRUCKER HATS and glamourize trailer trash...

moody prick
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 4:17 pm
SebStop guested on Scotty Hard's "Return of Kill Dog E" disc (also Wordsound) as well.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 9:53 pm
did you all know that that rapper Shane, or Shante or whatever, who's usually most associated with Ludacris....is the daughter of Buddy Guy?! It's true.
razor a go go
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 10:21 pm
i think she was @ the afropunk screening here (honeychild) last weekend (?) but i was in lexington. am i wrong?
razor a go go
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 10:23 pm
i mean 2 weeks ago. it's sort of a blur.
Doctor Sardonicus
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 10:27 pm
What are you talking about...I heard that on VHI this morning...enlighten me thow..sounds fascinating.
razor a go go
Posted: Nov 13, 2003 10:30 pm
afropunk.com if that is what you are talking about. i heard about a few months ago and then more recently WFPL or NPR did a feature i heard.
Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 14, 2003 12:55 am
The girls name is Shawna and she part of Ludacris' "Disturbing the peace" "crew". Yep her blues/rock lineage is correct.

I heard afropunk the movie leans towards
documenting cheesy funk/metal (think fishbone but horrible). They could have done an entire movie based on black band members and frontmen during the Hardcore movement alone.

Whipping Boy.. The NYN, pure hell... etc

Jakey Stiff
Posted: Nov 14, 2003 1:59 am
Worst than i feared. After visiting the web site i see it's a bunch of guys whining about other black kids invading their turf by going to the same shows.

I've heard and seen it all now.

Posted: Apr 27, 2006 4:12 am
The worst fuckin production on a rap song I've ever heard is that M&M joker, with his song where they sample Aerosmiths Dream On

Well, My kids and wives need stuff and, fuck, my band invented that rock meets rap thing. At least this time it was a white guy.
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