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Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:30 pm
 
I've been getting more into them lately. I'm basically a novice fan.
Is there any really awesome unreleased or live stuff I might not have heard? Anything like John and Yoko's, 'Life with the Lions'?
Anything really psychedelic or noisy that was unreleased?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:36 pm
 
Have you heard "It's All To Much" form the Yellow Sub LP? It's pretty psychedelic. Mike Sniper has some rare 20 minute version of it. "Old Brown Shoe" is pretty psychedelic too. I tihnk you should spend lots of time with Revolver (UK version in mono especially)/ White Album/ side 2 of Abbey Road before geting too deep into unreleased/ live stuff. Plus they stopped playing live in '66 anyway. The BBC sessions is great and has them doing stuff like the Coasters' "Three Cool Cats."
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:39 pm
 
Try this
http://beatlesnumber9.com/

I've always enjoyed the Beatles Christmas messages they sent to their fans in the form od a flexi disc.
The early ones are pretty straight forward but around 65 they start doing little skits and Goon type material....usually they are drunk.

Plus there is other good stuff here.

I'm Golightly.
I'm a Beatle queer
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:50 pm
 
Yeah, I started digging Revolver yesterday.
Thanks for the ideas dudes.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:52 pm
 
UK version? On CD it's the UK version, unless they finally did release the CD's as US versions.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:52 pm
 
Revolver and the US and UK Yesterday and Today are so good.

I love the Plastic Ono stuff too.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:58 pm
 
Im a complete sucker for the Help! and Beatles For Sale LP's. Those don't get mentioned as often as they should. How they got so mature from '64 to '65 is way beyond my comprehension.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 5:58 pm
 
Revolver is my fave.

There is tons of boots out there now.....if you can find the boot of the building of Strawberry Fields, it will blow your mind.
Starting with Lennon writing a song called "It's not too bad" into a small recorder then him showing it to the lads in the studio and then the tracks. George Martin conducting the strings and horns is incredible to hear by themselves.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:02 pm
 
UK version?
I think so, I was listening to 'Tomorrow Never Knows', 'I Love You To', 'She Said She Said' and afew others.

I haven't heard plastic Ono for awhile.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:04 pm
 
UK version has "And Your Bird Can Sing" and "Dr. Robert" and maybe one more that the US doesn't have. Those songs are essential to the LP.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:05 pm
 
LOVE the UK Hard Day's Night album. If I were to go and listen to a Beatles album now, that would be the one.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:06 pm
 
"And Your Bird Can Sing"
Yeah it's that version.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:11 pm
 
If I had to pick my fave song it would be off my fave album Revolver and the song is
And Your Bird Can Sing.

John's then wife Cynthia bought him a mechanical chirping bird in a cage for Christmas.....this song was John's way of telling her to fuck off without telling her to fuck off.

And Your Bird Can Sing
Lennon/McCartney

You tell that you've ev'rything you want,
And your bird can sing,
But you don't get me,
You don't get me.
You say you've seen seven wonders,
And your bird is green,
But you can't see me,
You can't see me.
When your prized possessions start to wear you down,
Look in my direction
I'll be round, I'll be round.
When your bird is broken
Will it bring you down?
You may be awoken
I'll be round, I'll be round.
Tell me that you've heard ev'ry sound there is,
And your bird can swing,
But you can't hear me,
You can't hear me.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:11 pm
 
Goddamn I love that song.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:14 pm
 
When I was younger, I had no idea it was two guitars playing the lick....took me a long time but I can do it
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:17 pm
 
Over the years I've found myself moving towards the earlier material and, as bazook said, Beatles For Sale and Help are the highlights of this period. They're still sticking to love songs, but also getting more folksy and all the songs have an underlying bleakness.

But Magical Mystery Tour shouldn't be forgotten for its trips into psychedelia. Blue Jay Way and Flying especially.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:19 pm
 
the beatles suck like bazooka does
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:23 pm | Edited by: Ronnie Farnsworth
 
What's your take on this shit? You have to "register" in order to hear the preview tracks. EMI is seriously pissing me off with their handling of the Beatles catalog. Sure, that track that edits the various versions of Strawberry Fields together to show it's progression sounds kinda neat, but do they seriously think fucking around with the tapes like this should take precedence over, say, remastering the catalog that they haven't touched since 1987 (although they've seen fit to raise the price consistently -- I guess there's a clause in the contract stating the Beatles CDs must be topline-priced at all times, meaning whenever someone whether it be an executive or some douchebag artist also signed to EMI wants to raise the price of their CDs, the Beatles' go up too) or reissuing MONO versions of everything (go listen to Paperback Writer from any of the CDs and then listen to the 45 if you think it doesn't make a big difference)? Hell, I'd even take reissues in 5.1 over the shitty sounding stereo piles of ass they got out there now. Christ even the Stones finally went and upgraded their catalog. So did Garth Fucking Brooks. The Capitol Albums boxes were steps in the right direction, but hey, they fucked up on those a little bit too.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:23 pm
 
but also getting more folksy and all the songs have an underlying bleakness.

Yesssssss.....

But Magical Mystery Tour shouldn't be forgotten for its trips into psychedelia. Blue Jay Way and Flying especially.

Yessssssss.....
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:25 pm
 
And Your Bird Can Sing

there's a great flaming groovies version of this as well, i've never been much into the beatles but the groovies version had me rethinking
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:32 pm
 
I don't play much of the stuff past Revolver in my solo gig.....and the tunes they gave away are amazing too....A World Without Love....Macca just GAVE that to Peter and Gordon.....first single I ever bought with my own money that....and the Billy J Kramer stuff......geez.....how'd you like to write so many tunes that you could give away gems like that?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:35 pm
 
I've always loved the almost-feedback gain on Paperback Writer.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:40 pm
 
Hey, Bulldog.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:40 pm
 
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:41 pm
 
Anybody know what "Come Together" is about? Not my favorite song, but always thought it was about the falling out with the guru dude in India, or whatever.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:42 pm
 
I know Sexy Sadie is about guru dude - not sure about Come Together
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:45 pm
 
Sexy Sadie

Fuck that song is good.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:46 pm
 
how'd you like to write so many tunes that you could give away gems like that?

Remember that the Stones had a hit with their far superior I Wanna Be Your Man before the Beatles ever recorded it. That song is more suited to Mick than Ringo and Brian Jones does some rippin' slide work on the Stones version.

shit - all this beatles talk makes me with I had some with me at work - I guess I'll just go on youtube and listen to what I can there.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:47 pm
 
Also another neat tidbit, stealth is the story behind Glass Onion, where John calls Paul the Walrus. In the song, I am the Walrus, John was doing some LSD word-play off of whatever poem that is:
"The time is come, the walrus said,
To talk of many things,
Of shoes and ships and sealing wax,
Of cabbages and Kings..."
Which was some kind of homage to Socialism.
John fucked up, because the Walrus was the Capitalist in that poem. Therefore, he added the line in Glass Onion "Told you 'bout the Walrus and me, man/You know that we're as close as could be, man/But here's a little news for you all/The Walrus was Paul".

Anyway, I always thought that was neat.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:49 pm
 
I know Sexy Sadie is about guru dude

I thought that song was about the actress chick that was reluctant to participate in the guru sessions.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:49 pm
 
My friend in Scotland sent my ALL of the Beatles albums on one cd......I'm not savvy enough to tell you what kind of files they are but they come up with the album cover, songs and lyrics.....I keep it at work.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:50 pm
 
all this beatles talk makes me with I had some with me at work - I guess I'll just go on youtube

Precisely what got me started on Paperback Writer...
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:50 pm
 
thought that song was about the actress chick that was reluctant to participate in the guru sessions


Dear Prudence....about Mia Farrow's sister
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:52 pm
 
Ah, yes. Makes a lot more sense, really.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:52 pm
 
Also in Glass Onions..."lookin' through the bent back tulips, to see how the other half lives...."

Lennon said it was about when Brian would take them to posh restaurants when they were still struggling....the tulips were on the tables
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:55 pm
 
SATANISTS!
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Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:57 pm
 
The only time all of this information actually paid off for me was winning all of the Beatle cd's in a roll top bread box kind of thingy.....FM100 had a trivia contest and a girl in the office who listened got them on the phone and realized she didn't know shit about the Beatles.....so she transferred the call to me.....Some of the questions were wrong and I corrected them before I answered all of the questions...they were freaked out and after I won, they decided to keep asking me shit and I realized then......I'm a fuckin Beatle retard.
So now I'm doing this solo thing at private parties to try to make it payoff some more
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:57 pm
 
PAUL IS DEAD!
URL
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 8:59 pm
 
"Come Together" was originally a campaign song for Tim Leary and his slogan was "Come together." I think it goes that Tim Leary didn't run and John asked if he could still do the song.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:00 pm
 
Sexy Sadie

i've been listening to the white album a bunch again lately and whenever that song comes on, I put it on another three or four times before letting it get to helter skelter....god, i love that song.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:02 pm
 
I'm a fuckin Beatle retard.

Same. I was really bad in jr. high and high school though.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:03 pm
 
Same. I was really bad in jr. high and high school though.


I'm terminal.....
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:08 pm
 
How about good covers and/or mashups?

I really like the Phillipine Violators version of 'Yesterday', and the beatles/skee-lo mashup, 'I wish I was a Bulldog'.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:16 pm
 
How about good covers and/or mashups?

I've wanted to hear The Grey Album for awhile.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:18 pm
 
that DJ Dangermouse mash of the White album and Jay z's Black album is pretty cool....for one listen....also heard some Beastie/Beatles mash that was kind of cool.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:20 pm
 
Yeah, the beastles.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:23 pm
 
Beastie/Beatles

You mean the sample of the drums from "Sgt Peppers Reprise" or something else? Beasties also coverd "I'm Down" but was only included on a CMJ convention sampler from 1985.

There's this Chumbawamba song from the mid 90's that uses the same drums and then for the finale of the song plays the last note from "A Day In The Life" in reverse (gradual build up).
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:30 pm
 
check out Past Masters vol II..its got the rare flipsides from 67-70 45's. Like..When the rain comes, You know my name, look up the number, Paperback Writer..etc.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:35 pm
 
How about good covers and/or mashups?

The Rutles
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:37 pm
 
This is all good to know, as I've never been much of a Beatles fan. Not that I think they suck or anythin', maybe just over-exposed in HS when all the kids discovered their parents' record collections. So now I'm clueless, really. Don't own a single Beatles record, don't really know where to start.

Thing is, I can't stand some of the shit that I hear at pepoles houses or on the radio or whatever. "Norweigan Wood"? Gimme a break. SO there's lots of times when I'm all, "I should pick up a Beatles record an' see what all the fuss is about" but then I hear "I wanna hold your hand" or Yelloww Submarine" or somethin' and it puts me off 'em again.

I do think the last two thirds of "Happiness is a warm Gun" is one of the best songs ever written though.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:39 pm
 
"Norweigan Wood"? Gimme a break.

You are dead to me.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:39 pm
 
I do think the last two thirds of "Happiness is a warm Gun" is one of the best songs ever written though.

The first third is the best set up ever.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:41 pm
 
How about good covers and/or mashups?

THE BEATLE BARKERS!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:41 pm
 
Joe....some people don't get it.....don't be so hard on yourself.

Can't tell you how many Grateful Dead albums I bought in the 70's thinking I'm supposed to like them......gave em all away.....I just don't get it
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:42 pm
 
You are dead to me.


I knew it! Hey Jack, keep your eyes on the mail. And is Noah's last name the same as yours, or is it some weird modern hyphen thing?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:42 pm
 
THE BEATLE BARKERS!

Fuckin' A!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:44 pm | Edited by: Jack Stands
 
"Norweigan Wood"? Gimme a break.


I'm still hung up on this.
Boy meets girl.
Girl has dude over.
Dude gets drunk off girl's wine.
Girl has hot monkey sex with dude.
Girl leaves in the morning to go to "work" or whatever.
Dude burns all of her furniture.

THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY, MAN!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:44 pm
 
Joe....some people don't get it.....don't be so hard on yourself


I fell kinda burned. Mostly, the thing with the Beatles is that they either seem too wimpy or too fake-weird. Where's the middle ground? And I do liek a lot, it's just the stuff I don't like... well, it sorta ruins 'em for me 'cause it's so unlikable. The BBC thing I've heard and think is pretty good. What else?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:45 pm
 
Yeah, man. No crazy hyphenation. He still asks about you, too.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:51 pm
 
Younger people who did not live through Beatlemania, can hardly understand the rabidness of their popularity.....Kennedy had been assasinated in November 63 and the country was in mourning.....and here comes the Beatles in February and man, the kids were READY for them....radio sucked hard and The Beatles were singing happy dappy tunes.....it was just the times....but they fuckin' backed it up with great songs and GREW with every album.

I see my neices and nephews go bonkers over them today....but it is the later stuff they dig....Yellow Submarine (for the obviuos reasons) but if you listen to Abbey Road, it's like a musical cartoon...."Bang Bang Maxwell Silver Hammer came down upon his head"...."She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" ..... "Mean Mr. Mustard" etc.....
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:56 pm
 
Abbey Road

Back in the day, we used to cover that whole "You Never Give Me your Money" segue thing. Fun stuffs.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:57 pm | Edited by: mikesniper
 
Mono Sgt. Pepper. Completely different guitar takes, noises, tape loops. And the Beatles were present during the mixing, unlike the stereo which was arbitrarily panned L/R by the engineers. The Mono version has never been issued on CD other than bootlegs from clean vinyl copies. It goes on eBay for 40-120 clams, but it's easy to find in stores, just look for a copy w/o the yellow band that says "Stereo" on the top. Most record stores don't bother. The catalog starts with "MAS" not "SMAS." Nerdy shit, just sayin'....

I think the Beatles were great, but the Kinks and Stones are at least equal. Their were other great bands at the time of course, but those are the closest contemporaries as far as being English and having a lot of releases. The Beatles had a lot more time to record in the studio and a lot more money. I think Ray Davies is by far a superior lyricist than either Lennon or McCartney. "Do You Remember Walter" being an example. Hollies, The Move and Pretty Things are up there too, if a little more inconsistant ("Emotions" is just not up to snuff as far as their other shit..)

In a weird way the Beatles are both under and over-rated. Some people hate them just because, or oversaturation, and some people think no one can come close, which isn't true, even in their own country. Go outside the UK and you have the Byrds, Beach Boys, etc. etc. etc.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:00 pm
 
See, that's my thing: always kinda preferred the Kinks for the poppy/psych shit and the Stones for my R+B jams...
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:02 pm
 
I'm kind of a sucker for sappy pop and the Beatles were great at that, but if you're not into that stuff it'll rule out LOTS of their material.

The White Album is a great start I think - even though there's lots of stinkers on there, there's also lots of great gritty songs on there - especially the John and George songs. Savoy Truffle anyone? I remember being a pimple-faced tie-dye wearing dork in high school listening to that album over and over again with Helter Skelter and the Book of Revelations in front of me for reference. Damn, I was a loser!

Kind of unbelievable this thread hasn't turned into a Beatles-lover vs. Beatles-haters argument yet - i guess there's still time.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:05 pm
 
Naw, naw.. not hatin'- just ignorant. There are some top tunes on the White Album, you're right. I guess what I'm gonna have to do is just tune out the lame stuff, which I've never been able to separate from the good. I'll just have to learn though.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:06 pm
 
UK version has "And Your Bird Can Sing" and "Dr. Robert" and maybe one more that the US doesn't have. Those songs are essential to the LP.


Those are both on US only Yesterday and Today and I really prefer that LP to those being on Revolver (just b/c I grew up with US versions)...


Here are my original faves:

Beatles VI 1965
Help! Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 1965
Rubber Soul 1965
Yesterday And Today 1966
Revolver 1966
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:08 pm
 
Oh and I hate "Norwegian Wood". It has all the elements of some art dork trying to seduce some idiot model. And succeeding.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:08 pm
 
Kind of unbelievable this thread hasn't turned into a Beatles-lover vs. Beatles-haters argument yet - i guess there's still time.

Yeah I ain't got time for that......but I almost got kicked out of my catholic school for defending Lennon's statement the the Beatles were more popular then Jesus.....I mean we were ALWAYS talking about the Beatles and NEVER talking about Jesus so it made perfect sense to me.....you'da thought I was Judas Iscariot
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:08 pm
 
bazooka and mike sniper fart out each others wimpy dicks
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:08 pm
 
Oh and I hate "Norwegian Wood"

Dead to me.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:11 pm
 
Hollies, The Move and Pretty Things are up there too, if a little more inconsistant

I know this is off-topic but the original Move lineup smoked.
Also a big Small Faces fan. Odgen's is OK but everything before that is killer.
Don't love so much of the Beatles' psych stuff (excepting Revolver, if you wanna call that psych per se) but the more raw rockin stuff is great. Even later on. . .like "Don't Let Me Down."
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:13 pm
 
Jack!!!!!

That song drives me up the wall. And I am the biggest Beatles apologist on the planet. I can't tell you how many goofy ass pointless "Beatles vs. Stones" arguments I have been involved in (and will continue to be involved in until the week I die, I am sure).

It just makes me picture John Lennon in art school, wearing a black turtleneck and singing it in a ski lodge to some blonde in fuzzy boots drinking cocoa. ICK!!!!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:13 pm
 
The Move rules.

Back to topic.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:18 pm
 
I seen a live clip of I can Hear the grass grow by the Move that just flat out smoked
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:18 pm
 
Dead people can't talk. Or type.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:18 pm
 
It just makes me picture John Lennon in art school, wearing a black turtleneck and singing it in a ski lodge to some blonde in fuzzy boots drinking cocoa. ICK!!!!


!!!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:26 pm
 
The Move rules.


Yes, they do.

Turd Gurgler, why don't you get yer ass up here and record some bitchin' vocal takes.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:42 pm
 
Im a complete sucker for the Help! and Beatles For Sale LP's. Those don't get mentioned as often as they should. How they got so mature from '64 to '65 is way beyond my comprehension.

I totally agree with this. My favorite period - when they were still playing semi-simple rock & roll but were getting away from the covers, and pre-acid.

I have a series of three boots called Unsurpassed Masters. By the time you get to the second and third volumes, there's a lot of song fragments but the first volume is a lot of fun. Has Leave My Kitten Alone on it, a total rocker.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:42 pm
 
I think it's because I had 2 best-of Beatles 8-tracks as a pre-schooler and very little else (except a Winnie the Pooh & Tigger, Too record), I dunno, but there isn't a single Beatles song I love. Listened to them constantly as a little kid, my parents were crazy about 'em. There are still songs I like (quite a few of them), and I can see their appeal and all, but I'd rather listen to Troggs & Seeds & Sonics & Monks & Kinks & Stones & Pretty Things & hundreds of other &s. Too squeaky clean and frictionless for my taste, though the Hamburg recordings show that they could kick up a nice groove early on. And I don't like the post-touring stuff at all. Just about every major band that pulled the '67-'68 psychedelic switch(Love, Beach Boys, Pretty Things) did it a lot better than the Beatles.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:50 pm
 
I love pretty much all those bands you listed above, but there is just something about the Beatles. I do think either you get it or don't. Not that NOT getting it is a character flaw, just one of those things.

It was total luck of the draw that I became obsessed with them. They were like 1/2 of my mom's record collection and weekends with her in 1977 could mean A LOT of alone time. Between The Beatles and Jacques Brel, who would you choose?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:09 pm
 
The Beatles and Jacques Brel, who would you choose?


I dunno... Jacuqes Brel can rip it pretty good.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:15 pm
 
You so crazy.
jackpenetrater
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:37 pm
 
On Riverside Records-Recently RE-Released-The INMATES.."Meet the Beatles"-(Apple Sanctioned)...Reunion Show, Kinda Interesting to get the Inmates "R&b/Soul/High Energy" take on the Fabs.My fav track.."I'll Get You"-quite inspired actually.(Anyway Somethin' different).I recently got it from CDBABY.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:04 am
 
Thanks for all the feedback guys, it's all helpful.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:46 am
 
but then I hear "I wanna hold your hand" and it puts me off 'em again.
Are you kidding? That's one of the greatest songs in history. Sure the whole lyrical concept sounds inane to today's "sophisticated" music fan, but that song is so catchy it oughta be regulated by the CDC. Yeah, it's been overplayed for 40 years, but the song still kicks ass.

I'm a bigger fan of the Beatles pre-Sgt. Pepper's output, but over the years, I've come to really love the later stuff, too. And while I absolutely love the Stones, I think that arguing whether the Beatles or the Stones are better is ridiculous. If I had to list my top 100 albums ever, I'd list at least 4 Stones albums before I ever listed a Beatles record, yet I still think it's obvious that The Beatles are the better band overall.

Think about the comparison like you would when you compare baseball players. You use stats. The Beatles never released an album that was less the great. Even folks who prefer the Stones will tell you that the Stones have put out A LOT of turds. Many Stones fans will tell you that they've put out more turds than gems. Based on that batting average, you have to admit that the Beatles are better, unless you're just one of those weirdos that doesn't "get" the Beatles at all.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:31 am
 
And while I absolutely love the Stones, I think that arguing whether the Beatles or the Stones are better is ridiculous. If I had to list my top 100 albums ever, I'd list at least 4 Stones albums before I ever listed a Beatles record, yet I still think it's obvious that The Beatles are the better band overall.

Ding ding ding!

Even the songs that have been played to death get to me...Here Comes the Sun?!?!?!? I heard that a few weeks ago and it was like the first time I had ever heard it. Yeah, the Stones can do that to me too, but it isn't the same sort of feeling as the Beatles.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:52 am | Edited by: Hugh Jass
 
Yeah, the Stones can do that to me too, but it isn't the same sort of feeling as the Beatles.
Actually, I get that same "feeling" with a lot Stones songs (e.g. Sway, No Expectations, Paint It Black, Rocks Off, etc.)

I'm just looking at this whole thing logically. The Beatles put out nothing but great records. The Stones have put out nothing but sub-par (or worse) albums for the past 25 years, much longer than the Beatles' entire career. That means more than half of the Stones' career consists of cruddy records. I doubt anyone here (or anywhere for that matter) is gonna say the Stones' output since 1981 has been anything to get excited about. And if that's true...how can they be a better BAND overall than the Beatles?
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:00 am
 
I get a feeling from Stones songs but it is specific to them as it is with the Beatles...does that make any sense? I remember about a year after I obsessed on the Beatles, I pulled out Hot Rocks and I don't think I listened to the Beatles for YEARS after that. The Stones held me for fucking eons and definitely defined my bad attitude from about 1979 all the way thru college!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:02 am | Edited by: Rich Balls
 
I think the Beatles explored more with new sounds...The STONES FUCKING RULE! but as far as setting the bar higher that's the beatles... and they really showed what a band could do beyond ripping off Little Richard and Bo Diddley, the Beatles did that.
jackpenetrater
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:19 pm
 
I'd like to make a point here.I'm a big fan of BOTH bands-but The Stones' music.."Has weathered the test of time better.".WHY??...A KEY component of the Beatles' growth, success, & sound was Producer George Martin."The 5th Beatle".Who came to the band with his extensive background in classical music."Together"the Beatles and Martin...Released Pioneering/Historic/HUGELYIMPORTANT& EXCELLENT albums....that seemed for awhile at least to follow a pattern of "Growth/progress/& artisticsophistication"..I'm talkin' the HISTORIC run of.."Rubber Soul","REvolver" & "Sgt.Peppers".THE WORLD and ROCK music..literally WAS NEVER THE SAME.//THOSE RECORDS WERE MY LIFE.//////But you know what???...I DO play them now on occassion-"Out of respect"-but they are "hard to listen to" now.(For a variety of reasons).One of the reasons-for me is George Martin's Producing.The records now sound..a bit.."thin".."light"...dare i say.."slightly contrived"??..Whatever they "DO"..sound like..they "DONT" sound "KickassBALLSYRock'N'Roll".The STONES records-STILL DO./////These days-I find myself reaching for the Phil Spector Produced "Let it Be" album-To get my Beatles fix.Despite the "Many "imperfections" -well documented by people like Paul-Its a "low-Key", "real", "from the heart", sound-and yes I like it better than "Naked".If asked "Whats the GREATEST Beatles Album ever?-I'd reply "Revolver".Is "REvolver" one of the greatest albums ever-by anyone..anytime?..CLEARLY "Yes".(I just cant listen to it anymore).By contrast I DO play "Exile on Main Street" every couple weeks.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:25 pm
 
"Naked" just pissed me off.....seems like I paid for McCartney's ego on that purchase.

The Anthologies rule too.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:10 pm
 
Beatles rule! "And Your Bird Can Sing" is the best song ever!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:13 pm
 
stevebeat=wise
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:38 pm
 
so how do you people feel about Led Zeppelin?
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:41 pm
 
Hopefully we'll get a unanimous SUCK vote. Even though Robert Plant was the "Norton Customer of the Year" on the radio last night. WTF???
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:49 pm
 
I think their should be a "work camp" for fans of both bands
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:59 pm
 
Jimmy Page is a fucking "musical" asshole.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:06 pm
 
I love pretty much all those bands you listed above, but there is just something about the Beatles.

That "something" is heart, talent, creativity, and haircuts that most other bands of their era could only aspire to and try to imitate; the Kinks are maybe the only exception. It's the sort of intangible that transcends musicianship, how many times have you heard quotes from musicians of the era -- I seem to remember from the Yardbirds camp -- being appalled at the Beatles lack of instrumental prowess? Pure jealousy. Fact is, if you can write a great song, "chops" do not matter at all. It's about a thing called resonance, the ability for your music to seem relevant to a large amount of people outside of your practice room -- and the Beatles have resonance that has endured for decades and is renewed with each new generation that hears their music. The Stones are a great, monumental band that has added a lot to the history of rock 'n roll and popular music in general, but there are limits to their appeal; The Beatles can reach millions of people the Stones never could and never can -- and that's just magic, and what just about every band aspires to achieve. So far, nobody's been able to do it.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:07 pm
 
My dad is a big 70s rock guy. When I was a kid, I was literally forced to watch "The Song Remains the Same" which features ridiculous shit like Jimmy Page playing guitar with a bow and that 20 minute "Moby Dick" drum solo. Not my idea of fun. Agreed that Led Zeppelin is total shit.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:07 pm
 
YEAH!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:08 pm
 
FUCK YEAH!!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:13 pm
 
If your playing 70's style guitar god type rock, the best thing to do is to hit the lick and with your picking hand, just raise your hand up in the air and hold it there for a little while......people in the crowd seem to like that.....
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:25 pm
 
Meh. Michael Jackson sold records like the Beatles, and had that same "magic" with the general population, but that doesn't really mean shit to me. The general population is rabid for "Friends" and boy bands. Fuck 'em.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:35 pm
 
remember Disco and Urban Cowboy

those really made an impression on the population
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:51 pm
 
Michael Jackson sold records like the Beatles, and had that same \"magic\" ... Disco and Urban Cowboy

Apples and oranges. Check back in forty years and see if your argument still holds.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:01 pm
 
well disco was 30 and I'm sure I can find people who will rave on and on about the Average White Band

so what's your point?
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:22 pm
 
You're the one who took this chat off point, Mark -- you equate passing fads with lasting phenomenon just to stir a little shit.

The FACT is that the Beatles made music that for nearly 50 years has been hitting millions of people in the brain, heart, and gut.

That's not opinion, that's history.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:27 pm
 
People still think Bob Hope was funny, but it's entirely untrue.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:37 pm
 
OK -- so is the upshot the Beatles suck because they're well liked? I was offering an explaination of the Beatles' special intangible "something." You got a better one?


ps:
but it's entirely untrue
... is entirely your opinion.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:51 pm
 
Yeah, 'Help' and 'hard days night' are great records! I cant remember the name of my fave beatles song, its the one The Quick covered. I cant remember the name but that song rules! I like Ringo's great, no-bullshit drumming.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:56 pm
 
I listed to all of side one of Houses of the Holy a few days ago on a radio stations A Side of Rock weekend and comepletely enjoyed it. Led Zep is hilarious too.

And as far as the Kinks go, I found a GREAT live Kinks concert from 1973 on YouTube last night. Full horns, gospel singers and piano.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:56 pm
 
so is the upshot the Beatles suck because they're well liked?

It seems some people here hold the notion that once you get popular, you must suck
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:57 pm
 
The Kinks BBC stuff is recorded better than the originals
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:03 pm | Edited by: Mark Beef
 
actually the reason I never discovered Beatles songs I did like,until I was in my 30's, was because of the attitudes of people like Thunda

they simply can't believe anyone disagrees with them because their opinion is FACT!!!!!

has nothing to do with a band being popular but everything to do with a band's fans being pompous shitbags
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:14 pm
 
ive got the Rutles on vinyl. Im special.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:21 pm
 
Lighten up, Mark. As you freely confess, any anti-Beatle baggage you bring to this discussion is entirely your own.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:25 pm
 
I don't think they suck cuz they're famous... I mean, listen to all these folks talk about how great the Stones are- also really famous.

And Hugh, I think yer baseball analogy is a bit flawed. The Beatles didn't make records for nearly as long as the Stones did: just cuz Yoko broke 'em up before they could really start sucking doesn't mean they weren't headed in that direction.

I'm not trying to fuel the Beatles v. Stones thing, cuz I think it's dumb... but whatever.

Oh, yeah. Zepp SUCK!! And that's a FACT!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:30 pm
 
awww, "you've got to hide your love away" is on the radio right now.....god, that's such a wonderful song, too.

did anyone get into beatle solo works on this thread? I've been listening to All Things Must Pass a shit load lately, too....."behind that locked door" is the greatest song in the world......
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:45 pm
 
Quit using the "you hate them because they're famous" line. It's just as lame as judging artistic merit by how popular something is - the two are entirely unrelated. I love the Rolling Stones, who were the second most popular rnr band in history. I love the Kinks. I love Sabbath. I love all kinds of enormously popular bands, TV shows, movies, artists, etc. However, the Beatles don't speak to me. It's not that I don't "get it," I probably spent more time in my formative years listening to the Beatles than anyone on this board. I just don't enjoy listening to the Beatles that much. They were OK. Their early stuff is more well-scrubbed than what I usually enjoy. Their experimental period sounds contrived and insular to me. That's all.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:56 pm
 
Remember folks "All you need is love".....and anybody on here who says they hate the Beatles better have a knife on 'em.....that's all I'm sayin'.....
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:03 pm
 
I don't think anyone's said they hate the Beatles on this thread. Go charge another windmill.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:21 pm
 
I'd rather listen to Led Zeppelin then the Beatles. Flame away.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:39 pm
 
And Hugh, I think yer baseball analogy is a bit flawed. The Beatles didn't make records for nearly as long as the Stones did: just cuz Yoko broke 'em up before they could really start sucking doesn't mean they weren't headed in that direction.

I'm just saying that even though someone might not like the Beatles (which is crazy), you have to admit they only made albums that were "true to their vision." They were always trying to do something new or challenge themselves to make a better record. There's no way anyone can say that about the Stones. Their albums of the last 3 decades reak of contractual obligation. It's as if they've totally phoned in their recording career since "Tattoo You." Would the Beatles suck if they were still making albums today? Probably. But they're not making albums today, so we can only go by their actual body of work.

Like I said, I love the Stones. I love more of their albums than Beatles albums I imagine. But the Stones as recording artists have been terrible for so long I have to take that into consideration when talking about the band's legacy as a whole.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:47 pm
 
I'd rather listen to Led Zeppelin then the Beatles.
"then" as in "in that order"?
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:52 pm
 
I'd rather listen to Led Zeppelin then the Beatles.
"then" as in "in that order"?

good eye.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:52 pm
 
Oh, yeah. Zepp SUCK!! And that's a FACT!

Not to pull the Old Lady card out on you, but I challenge you to wait until you are in your late 30's to finalize that opinion. I am telling you, they have their moments and I have never laughed so hard at a band in my life, unintentional humor or not.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 8:47 pm
 
Not to pull the Old Lady card out on you, but I challenge you to wait until you are in your late 30's to finalize that opinion. I am telling you, they have their moments and I have never laughed so hard at a band in my life, unintentional humor or not.

Ok, ok. Zepp suck unless you're OLD!! ZING!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 8:55 pm
 
HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 8:55 pm
 
Jimmy Page is a fucking "musical" asshole.


shit, the dude basically invented garage rock considering he was one of Shel Talmy's session guitar players and played on a shitload of French and UK freakbeat records. Jimmy Page is your God.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:28 pm
 
I was bored shitless about 5 songs in and never recovered. The sound was good!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:38 pm
 
Jimmy Page is a fucking "musical" asshole.


shit, the dude basically invented garage rock considering he was one of Shel Talmy's session guitar players and played on a shitload of French and UK freakbeat records. Jimmy Page is your God.


No shit Sherlock. I'm talking about him being 50% of the reason Zep is the worst band ever.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:43 pm
 
Yeah Jimmy page and Zeppelin sucks, whatever....I find it funny that 99% of the bands championed on here do the EXACT same thing that Jimmy is chastized for...graverobbing and stealing music from the past. Y'all are some dipshit hypocrites.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:45 pm
 
I'm all for graverobbing, but it's the stinky riffs that turn me off to the Zepp. Well, I mean, I'll probably start liking 'em in 20 years, but y'know, whatever.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:47 pm
 
Stink riff EPIDEMIC!!! PARTY!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:54 pm
 
Ok, ok. Zepp suck unless you're OLD!! ZING!!

OUCH! At least I am wise enough to see how fucking hilarious they are. They aren't the worst and the aren't the best by very far, but I laugh at them louder than I laugh at ZZ Top. And a good laugh is not something I am gonna shrug off.

(And before anyone blasts me about ZZ Top, I like ZZ Top)
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:03 pm
 
Yeah Jimmy page and Zeppelin sucks, whatever....I find it funny that 99% of the bands championed on here do the EXACT same thing that Jimmy is chastized for...graverobbing and stealing music from the past. Y'all are some dipshit hypocrites.

Dude you said the same thing about KISS before. Zep sounds like pure fucking shit. What else do you want me to say? I don't care what he steals, I hate his long ass jam solos. They fucking SUCK! If you can listen to that shit with a straight face you just have some youthful attachment to it that I'm fortunate enough never to have had.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:07 pm
 
That one ZZ Top song is alright.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:12 pm
 
That one ZZ Top song is alright.

HA!!!

(Hey man, Hollis bday celebration tonight at Club 21 after 9PM--PLEASE COME!)
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:15 pm
 
Hmmm. perhaps I'll swing by for a drink or two. No Zepp on the juke, though- or I'm outta there!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:29 pm
 
No, but ZZ Top may sneak up on yer azz.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:32 pm
 
Speaking of ZZ, I had the unfortunate experience of listening to a CD of "Tres Hombres"...why the fuck did they "remaster" it and re-record(?!!?!?) the drums!? They replaced, the perfectly fine, kick ass drums on the LP with gated-reverb, "Eliminator" and "Afterburner" synthy sounding drums. it was god fucking awful. For shame, For shame ZZ.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:38 pm
 
What? That is total crazings.

Though, to be honest, I also listened to Side A of Eliminator on that same A Side of Rock weekend and totally enjoyed that joke.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:40 pm
 
last trip to new orleans big scott had bought best of zz top at truck stop and we had to suffer through the indignity of the remixed versions horrible
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 11:20 pm
 
Under Pressure?
Posted: Nov 11, 2006 12:02 am
 
My brother had all the Beatles records when we were kids so we hunched (ha!) around our little shit box record player and listened constantly to those records. And our baby sitter came over and we played Magical Mystery Tour over and over backwards for Paul's dead. It still makes me very nostalgic to hear the Beatles regardless of how I've since changed. They were like untouchable beings who lived in the stratosphere. I remember Walter Cronkite announcing on CBS nightly news that the Beatles had broken up. It was a huge story. It didn't seem like it could happen.
Posted: Nov 11, 2006 12:37 am
 
I really dig "Imagine" by John Lennon.
Posted: Nov 11, 2006 12:50 am
 
I remember CNN announcing John Lennon died...the anchorperson was crying.
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 8:01 pm
 
Wait; there's a 20 minute version of It's All Too Much?????? That's one of my favorite Beatles tracks ever. Is it available on a bootleg? I NEED to hear this!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 12:19 am
 
shaun--the quick do "it won't be long," which is cool song!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 12:42 am
 
Speaking of ZZ, I had the unfortunate experience of listening to a CD of "Tres Hombres"...why the fuck did they "remaster" it and re-record(?!!?!?) the drums!? They replaced, the perfectly fine, kick ass drums on the LP with gated-reverb, "Eliminator" and "Afterburner" synthy sounding drums. it was god fucking awful. For shame, For shame ZZ.

I know exactly what you're talking about it. As much as I love ZZ Top, I hate what they did with that. I think they not only "remastered" it, but re-mixed the whole thing. Shame.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:25 am
 
I'm still on a big Beatles kick.
"Rain", "Across the Universe" and "Don't Let Me Down".

They should turn up the handclaps on "And Your Bird Can Sing".

Paul was on SNL on Saturday, for a few seconds.

I'm listening to a 37 minutes version of "All Too Much".

I was watching this documentary on the weekend -
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 9:30 pm
 
Wait wait wait, if you're listening to a 37-minute "Too Much," it's probably fake...the longest Beatles song in the EMI tape vault is a 27 minute Helter Skelter. I've heard rumors of super long versions of "Too Much" but in that Recording Sessions book they never mention how long it lasts...the master take (4) runs a little over 8 minutes apparently....where did you get a 37-minute version? I'd like to check this out.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 9:34 pm
 
woah.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:21 pm | Edited by: stealth387
 
I think it just plays it twice. It can't be the same version you were talking about.
Posted: Nov 19, 2006 8:04 pm
 
I found exactly what I was looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Light

Is there really no bootleg of it? All I've heard so far is the supposed 1 minute excerpt.
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