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Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:18 am
 
Man why does Florida always get fucked?

Because it is out of the way (thus expensive gas and time wise) and if there is no "guaranteed payback" no one in a band/booking agency gives a fuck. The only reason I got to see any shows at all back when I lived in Florida was due to Gainesville being relatively easy to get to and had a draw from a lot of other towns back in the mid 90's during the Indie Label Heydey. The other reason certain interesting bands would deem Florida OK to play back in those days was literally due to Harry Pussy actually having cache for those bands that thought they were so kind to deem Florida worthy of their presence. Then they'd play a show with Harry Pussy and be blown off the stage. Ha ha fuckos!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:29 am
 
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:33 am
 
i actually agree with zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. my drama gland hurts. sorry this is what it degenerated into. we acted on anger and that's always a bad idea.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:33 am
 
i think anyone who's dealt with either the cobras or KK&BBQ knows that they're all insane. either of these bands complaining about each other is pot-kettle-black. it all seems so catty and childish. get over it. personally, i never trust a man who won't take off his hat.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:37 am
 
so?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:38 am
 
but i now have dreadlocks tattooed on my scalp.
agreed. this is childish.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:54 am
 
maybe in the 90's that was the case, but most bands Ive brought to Orlando would agree that it does have a pay-off, and its only been getting better. The show on Thursday would have been crazy, and now there are alot of dissapointed people down here. No I wrote you guys on myspacce twice, left a comment asking if you were coming, and askedon both this and terminal boredom if you guys were still coming or not. I never got a response to any of that. However, I did go to your myspace, and see that you guys have changed your tour dates, so now I know.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:59 am
 
i actually agree with zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. my drama gland hurts. sorry this is what it degenerated into. we acted on anger and that's always a bad idea.


Don't feel bad, it made for a more entertaining read than MRR.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:00 am
 
hold on. i will find the myspace thing and email it to you.
yes, we disappointed more folks - including you who tried helping us out - and i am sorry. but a lot has changed since yesterday. email me: marksultan@yahoo.com
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:04 am | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
most bands Ive brought to Orlando would agree that it does have a pay-off, and its only been getting better.

tahiti...I am glad that is true. i was def speaking of the mid-90's but I would guess from most people's attitudes about Florida that some of that snotty, better-than-Florida stuff survives. You should hear the Portland hipsters sneer when we say we are leaving this rainy freak magnet for St. Petersburg. Unfortunately, Florida has a bad rep based mainly on old stereotype and uninformed assumption. I still love that place. Maybe you can change my mind about Orlando though cos I can't see it!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:06 am
 
i found the letter in our 'myspace' outbox sent at noon today. late notice? yes. but we had to redo everything today. so email me. before today, last night, everything was on schedule.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:06 am
 
SNEER!!!

Take THAT, Florida!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:09 am
 
and the last myspace message i have from you is from a WHILE back. unless there were two different folks booking orlando.
worst part, no matter what shit people were talking about florida, i wanted to go. if for any reason, to be somewhere i had never been before. i'm sure there are 10 million worse places to play in north america than florida.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:10 am
 
i'm sure there are 10 million worse places to play in north america than florida



No way! Didn't you hear me sneer!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:12 am
 
hahahahaha
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:15 am
 
i just like that someone mentioned Hairy Pussy. i really really liked them...
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:16 am
 
don't feel bad mark sultan. this is a great thing. to have the technology to have this kind of honest open dialog is a great time in rock history. imagine if punk or creem magazine were live an interactive. that's what i'm always tryin to explain to robin but he's too stupid to understand. besides you broke the 3,000 views in 24 hours barrier thus shatterin my old record. you rule!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:19 am | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
SNEER!!!

Take THAT, Florida!


Yeah, I'll THAT with extra lime and salt please.

Ah...isn't this sunset a good one? And 70 degrees in January? And $150K 1920's Bungalows 5 minutes from Downtown? Here's an umbrella, hipster!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:19 am
 
An' your show in Oakland sans Cobras ruled!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:21 am
 
Here's an umbrella, hipster!

D'OH!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:21 am
 
i just like that someone mentioned Hairy Pussy. i really really liked them...

That is "harry", Jessiebelle. Of course you liked them!!!! I'd give my eyetooth to see them again live. IN FLORIDA (cos in Portland, it would be so crowded with poseurs I'd fucking vomit).
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:22 am
 
i know a guy who totally rules that put out the harry pussy zero de conduit double single an the adris solo rec an the bill orcutt solo rec on his label, audible hiss. i wonder whatever happened to him???
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:26 am
 
All of those records were great...was he from the USA or the UK or what?

There was seriously nothing like seeing that band play an all-ages show opening for fucking Sebadoh in Jacksonville Beach. Those indie kids were about to riot they hated them so bad. IT WAS GREAT!!!!!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:27 am
 
he was american. he also had a really great band that everybody on the goner board loves. in fact i think you might even know him.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:31 am
 
Speaking of Adris, I wrote her a few years back and found out she married some guy after and and Bill split; I can't recall who it is but it was someone involved with the "noise" scene. She was living in New Hampshire or upstate NY or somewhere like that. Bill had also remarried and was still in Miami, I think. I know he ran an art film foundation or something of the sort. I wish I knew what happened to their touring guitar player, Mark; he was amazing.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:31 am | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
OK, d diggler, enough with the teasing. Who 'tis?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:34 am
 
I think Adris married a dude from The Shadow Ring, Graham Lambkin?

Did you put out a Blowhole record?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:37 am
 
they were definately th best band of their time even though they were all noise. me an don flemin went to see them at the old kinttin factory the first time they came to nyc an they got us stoned offa this giant florida doobie they whipped out in the dressin room. we were all friggin boasted an then they went on to play. it was awesome. then seen them a couple of other times. in fact graham lambkin called me up on xmas day one time to complain about him an adris fightin. like i gave a shit. that first 12" they put out totally rules. one of the best recs ever. sorta.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:43 am
 
that first 12" they put out totally rules. one of the best recs ever. sorta.

Completely. I can honestly say it changed my life. That band made living in Florida totally worth living at that time. I got to see them a few times and got to piss off so many kids when I would stock everything by them in the store I worked for. It was so fun. They definitely converted a few indie fans. The shyest, sweet-looking youngster who previously didn't get further out than Palace Bros went apeshit over them after than show and started buying Charalambides and Dead C records and probably doing all kinds of drugs. He was in school to be a meterologist and a total prep who was a closet HP fan.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:55 am
 
he was american. he also had a really great band that everybody on the goner board loves. in fact i think you might even know him.

Slow on the uptake!!! Hello Audible Hiss Honcho...DIRK DIGGLER!!!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:56 am
 
yeah that totally rulin dude who gaylick an fat brad love so much that ran audible hiss also put out to live and shave in la an the blue humans featurin rudolph grey, he produced a great arthur doyle rec an single that he sent to eric o. who never even mentioned it to him even though it was one of the last three he had an he put out the great donald miller little treatise on morals double lp that mike the fag sniper's boss orig put out on cass an he produced the great sunny murray duo featurin charles gayle cd an the tower recordins fraternity of moonwalkers rec an a lotta other great stuff. what a visionary genius!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:58 am
 
Ok, dirk. Gots to give it up to you. Sunny Murray is a badass as was that Donald Miller rec. Who knew? Take a bow.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:59 am
 
To Live and Shave in LA

Classic. Also big Florida entertainment. Ah, memories.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:03 am
 
yeah i played on some to live an shave in la rec too. don't know which one. i got loaded an played alto sax on a few cuts. tom's a nutjob. (i'm sure he'll google this an see it. hi tom!!! i love you.) he went back to college an has andrew wk in the band now.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:05 am
 
Is he in FLA still?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:09 am
 
i don't know. he mighta moved back to georgia again. i emailed him about a year ago an he told me about the college thing. he's a genius of some kind cause i've never seen anybody make so many records of completely unintelligible noise. he's like the frank zappa of noise or somethin. except he's 6-6, 250 w/ a mohawk. but he's a great guy. i miss him. even though he's crazy.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:20 am
 
That is right--he lived in georgia too. What a weird ass time that was; thing is, as far as music and the scene or whatever surrounding it, it was much preferable to now. Today there are like 8 bands in Portland who think they are Harry Pussy.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:28 am
 
things sucked then too. there was only one harry pussy an i can't live on a steady diet of it. i need the alarm clocks an hipshakes an stuff. now is a better time for music, i think (except for "ed's" band which i cannot see for the life of me why any of you people would like. it sounds like r.e.m). (there's still tons of great jazz an experimental stuff around too. check out the new ornette coleman!!!)
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:31 am
 
I am jaded, I know. I am hoping I can kick some of that soon. A new Ornette Coleman Lp might be just the trick!!!

I did live on a noise diet in Florida. It was completely neccessary!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:38 am
 
i hear ya. but that stuff came up to the top because rock an roll was so dead at the time. i think it's back up on top again now an that's my main interest. (plus that fla scene was one of a kind. even though it was basically two bands. tom produced that first hp 12" too. i remember hp wanted to go into a studio to record one of their recs an i told them it was a mistake. that they're sound was the four track in their rehearsal space. they went anyway an it was a disaster. bill called me an told me i was right an they went back an did it the right way. i always wanted to put out an album b y them but they didn't wanna leave siltbreeze cause matador distributed them an they always wanted to be on matador. gag.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:41 am
 
and the last myspace message i have from you is from a WHILE back. unless there were two different folks booking orlando.
worst part, no matter what shit people were talking about florida, i wanted to go. if for any reason, to be somewhere i had never been before. i'm sure there are 10 million worse places to play in north america than florida.

Ask The Demon's Claws. They played the same place in Orlando a year and a half ago. There was a good crowd and they sold a good bit of merch. Rich is the man. I can't think of any band I saw there that should be disappointed with the way an Orlando show went.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:46 am
 
i'm kinda sad they aren't getting into florida just b/c my little brother lives in miami and i had convinced him to go to the show. i've spent the last ten years of my life trying to turn him on to better music. i've recently got him to respect the black lips (although i don't think he listens to them that much) and thought i was about to turn him on to another great band.

maybe he'll check em out though b/c somehow he caught wind of whats going on and called me today asking about it. he's not in the 'scene' at all but seems like word travels.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:48 am
 
Rich is the man.

haven't had the pleasure of meeting the dude, but from what i've heard of him i'll second that.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:51 am
 
Oh, and The Makers records until about 1996 kick ass over 90% of the bands people talk about on here.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:55 am
 
Well whatever. In my sent box I have three emails marked as read, but I also dont have anything in my inbox that says its from you. Myspace isnt perfect. None the less it really sucks that you guys couldnt play the show, but oh well life goes on. Yeah it really sucks that more people dont give Florida a chance. Im in the process of opening a bar right now, so I'm really going to be pushing for more bands to come down.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:57 am
 
i hear ya. but that stuff came up to the top because rock an roll was so dead at the time.

Agreed. Maybe I just haven't been able to hear all the r&r I need to be hearing cos some of what filters down to me is pretty "eh?" I am sure there is plenty I am not hip to--like all the bands you and Bazooka Joe always mention. No one out here ever tells me about that stuff and the local media is more asskissing to "freak folk" and the faux ex-hardcore Harry Pussy wannabes. Maybe it is high time for B.J. to make me a lil sampler with the Alarm Clocks et al. Then again I could go buy a record but I am saving ducats.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:00 am
 
Oh, and The Makers records until about 1996 kick ass over 90% of the bands people talk about on here.

But they dress like morons and pucker their lips whist playing. Gross.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:06 am
 
they dress like morons
yeah, thats a turnoff.
most bands that have to dress up are usually overcompensating somehow. unless they're gwar.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:12 am
 
Rich is the man.

i'll third that emotion.

started going to shows as a youngster in s. fla round 98, by that time i was into what most of us are into and i can only think of 3 or 4 bands i saw that i was into. lived in gainesville for 6 years and the chance to see a band was also rare, but within the past 2 years Orlando has gotten a lot of great shows with lotsof good bands, all that ive attended with great turnout thanks to rich. saw more shows in orlando my last year and a half living in gainesville than i did in that town. there is an audience for these bands down there, and most of them are grateful when they actually get to see those bands. so dont skip florida.

dont care about the drama since its none of my biz, just hope i get to see kkbbq here in new dork.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:14 am
 
Definitely do not skip Florida. People down there get hungry for shows and that can mean LOTS OF FUN.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:36 am
 
my cable access show
whoa..Brad was on Cable!!!!

Likes it when Mike M wears his "batting gloves"
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:40 am
 
hey I just got your email. you sent it to a different account then I had been using. anyways I got it. We'll have to reschedule
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:33 am
 
Re: the talk of Harry Pussy and To Live and Shave in LA.

I dig both these bands quite a bit...

Tom Smith is a swell dude, of course. My band opened up for To Live and Shave in LA once and it was fun, even though they showed up late. I saw them a few days later in Chicago and Tom introduced me to Brian McMahon of the Electric Eels which was a pretty big deal for me. I still communicate occasionally with Tom on gayspace. He is crazy, no doubt. We need more like him...

Anyhoo...
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:35 am
 
florida is the shit. easy girls, easy booze, great music, no scene. we are hating the no-show down here.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:39 am
 
how about a RS/KKBBQ show down here in miami?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:58 am
 
I am opening a store in St. Petersburg selling clothing, jewelry and some ephemera. No not a head shop. I will allow drinking inside my store while shopping. Just put the glass down when trying stuff on.

Florida will overcome!!!!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 6:13 am
 
Oh, and The Makers records until about 1996 kick ass over 90% of the bands people talk about on here.

Agreed! And that youtube clip brought back some good memories.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 7:32 am
 
I dunno why I was mentioned in one of Dirk's rants but Harry Pussy was fucking great and a lot of their shit is still available. Chiming in for no reason on that.

When the Makers and Drags were in their prime there wasn't the glut of similiar bands as now, so I think it's a little unfair. I never thought the Makers were the greatest band, but they were fucking great live for a good while and they had fun on stage, which was rare circa 1996-7, when people would party to Seam and Rachel's. I just got a headache typing that.

So, what's up, is there a NY show or not?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 10:40 am
 
Professor, when "Dirk" mentions you it is not dissimiliar from having a song you have written extrapolated by one Mr. "Weird" Al Yankovic.

Get with the fucking program, man.

Damn, might have to throw on that Blue Humans disc.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 11:05 am
 
when I spoke to CJ from the Drags about doing a tour, he said they always dealt with the clubs individually and made up the tour dates, no national booker to take a cut.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 1:15 pm
 
speak for yourself there's a scene in orlando
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 2:00 pm
 
hey mike sniper i mentioned you cause i was enumeratin fags i know an you were top of the list.

ephemera

sounds gay.

put the blue humans disc on

i hate you gaylick an i'm gonna pay some cubans to break into ytour slum an steal back any an all discs that have anything to do w/ me.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:13 pm
 
We played Gainesville back in '92. Some little shithole. The size of a living room. We were so loud the "crowd" stood in the garden outside. A dog did stay to watch us and howled the entire time. The bartender said we could have as much natty light as we could drink. We took him up on that. After he told us we were the scariest band he had ever seen. I still have a cassette recording of that show. Pretty twisted.

Before the show there was a Rudy Ray Moore type cat who climbed in our van and did a "signifying monkey" type of routine. It was great. We gave him beer. I remember Florida making me feel very lonely. We never went back.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:31 pm
 
I remember Florida making me feel very lonely. We never went back

I felt lonely in Jacksonville, that is for sure. But it is 10 years later and I am not touching that particular place in Florida with a ten foot pole. Who knows? We may hate it and have to leave, whatever.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 3:56 pm
 
Jacksonville is horrible. I stay away at all cost. St. Pete I dont ever really hear much about. I pretty much stick to Orlando, and sometimes I'll head down to south Florida
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:10 pm
 
Mark come back! jimi lenght me this tv show called LOST its pretty entertaning!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:15 pm
 
I remember when this thread use to be entertaining.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:27 pm
 
Jacksonville is horrible. I stay away at all cost.

A few Christmas seasons back my g/f (now wife) and I drove from Memphis to Stuart FL to visit an old friend of mine. We drove straight down (approx. 16 hrs.) except for a stop-off in Jacksonville, where we had a couple drinks in some run-down quasi sports bar. There we somehow befriended a man who, after about an hour's worth of conversation, invited us back to his trailer to hang. Needless to say we politely declined.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 4:43 pm
 
St. Pete I dont ever really hear much about.

It is very chill and actually pretty cool, but my husband is going to school in Tampa and I'd never live there. I want chill, beach, fishing, cheap housing etc. I can always road trip if there is a band I just have to see. I am past the age of "Rock Scene" being a qualifier for a place I have to live. That was near the top of the list for a number of years--other concerns these days.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:16 pm
 
thank you
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:40 pm
 
ya'll can just come back to memphis for some more nutella and bugles!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 5:46 pm
 
Tiny scoops of nutella on a bugle cone? Goodness, that sounds DELICIOUS!
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 6:38 pm
 
i hate you gaylick an i'm gonna pay some cubans to break into ytour slum an steal back any an all discs that have anything to do w/ me.

Why don't you just come over and get them yourself? Thought we were gonna have tea (both kinds) and free jass recs.

And fiery, jadedness does not become you. There's plenty of bands "out there" doing "fucking awesome shit." Have you ever heard of The Wrong Numbers?
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 6:41 pm
 
Don't you mean The Real Rong Numbers NYC? We're not a "noise band" per se... we're just totally fucked up.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:19 pm
 
Hey d diggler,
Did you know Helen, the British Girl from Tower Recordings?
She was really nice. I used to know her when I interned at Matador in the 90's.
Also, to live and shave in l.a. was awesome.
I saw them at Don Hill's of all places about 5 years ago and they were great. The dude with a mohawk was amazing. He did a Chuck Berry duckwalk right off the stage and fell a good way totally on purpose. It was great.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:31 pm | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
How many of us were working in that damn scene in the 90's?

1. Me (Cargo Records sales rep, buyer for several stores all over the damn map)
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:40 pm
 
i know helen and she's top notch
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:40 pm
 
Don't you mean The Real Rong Numbers NYC? We're not a "noise band" per se... we're just totally fucked up.



No, I mean The Wrong Numbers from Schenectady. They're only 12 years old, only listen to Pure Prairie League, Henry Cow, and Screamin Mee-Mees, and one of them has six fingers on his left hand (Bryan I believe). They're gonna blow yer fuckin mind an take over the world if any of you had brains penises or shotguns. Why do I bother telling any of you people about all the cool shit????


Like Drop Nineteens.

And yes, W. Numbers are better than Old School (but worse musicicans!).
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:41 pm
 
Uh, Old Skull, the OG old-school post-pre-school punks.
Posted: Nov 8, 2006 9:45 pm
 
of course i know helen. i used to go into kim's on bleeker st. where she was the buyer all the time an that's how i met them. i have to say that they were the easiest band i ever worked w/ (just like ryn wells from cheap date who put out my toe rag rec was the easiest label i ever worked w/. ironically i tried to get more lp's from him recently an he told me to fuck off w/ an email listin all my gay posts on here. he thought i was serious. oh, well. maybe todd or somebody on terminal gaydom can talk him down. all my recs are in his mom's garage!!!)
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 1:02 am
 
Ryan seems cool, but I think I've aggravated him enough where he wouldn't listen to me. I saw TLASILA w/ the Neckbones years back (weird-ass double bill). I drank a few w/ Tom (funny!), obviously a very smart guy. He's done shit with my buddy Bacon (Cock ESP) and they were "talking noise." He hated the Neckbones. Oh well.

Hey Talbot - just got that Blacks & Whites record & it rules!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 2:23 am
 
yeah, tom's great. he still mentions me in his bio. he originally wanted to be on primo scree but it didn't work out so then when i started audible hiss he wanted to be on that. i still have copies of the to live an shave single if anybodys interested. it's the only audible hiss release that isn't outta print. i wish i had the money to repress all that stuff i get asked for it so much. my only regret was that i didn't do the sunny murray rec on lp. dumb. when tom did that mitchell bros cd for me he had all these naked chicks on the cover an it freaked out the creeps runnin caroline at that time an we had to put black bars across their eyes like jay retard's wrong numbers photo. gay. anyway, viva le noise. i'm listenin to the alarm clocks lp for the third time today. the alarm clocks rule!!!

oh yeah, an gaylick sometime i'll come over an bring my private collection of tapes i recorded at the short-lived webster hall noise nights in '96 or whenever. i have exclusive tapes from borbetomagus anthe blue humans (rudolph an surgal-awesome. plus i have another tape irecorded of rudolph solo at the cooler. rulin.)
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 2:35 am
 
In 1998-1999 (and even maybe through the first few months of 2000), they played some of the best damn live rock'n'roll anywhere. The best record they ever did? That CD-EP they put out on their own in the summer of '99.

Got to disagree with ya. Sorry. Yet another instance of to each their own. My record collection rests easy being Makers-less.


That's fine. But, uh...I was talking about The Mooney Suzuki, not the Makers. Personally, I disagree with you on The Makers, too - especially the first couple records - but like you said, to each their own.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 3:37 am
 
Thanks Todd for the compliment!
I am glad you like the record.
Yeah, my good friend and college roommate Russ Waterhouse used to work at Kim's Underground when Helen was there and would bring home Audible Hiss Records all the time...that Arthur Doyle record was on constantly in my dorm room...it's funny how many of our nine inch nails loving neighbors hated that record.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 2:47 pm
 
As for the Drags, "I Like to Die" is pretty much the king of 90s retroville.

It's not retro. Sounds like the Fireworks kinda. I don't like that single very much though. There's no bottom. It don't pound.


"I Like to Die" sounds like a reworked "Good Times" (Nobody's Children) to these ears - great songs, both of 'em.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 6:52 pm
 
for those interested in the show Fri 11/10 in Athens, GA.....

Secret Squirrel
on Broad St. (US 78, main drag thru town) at the corner of Church St.
it's in the basement of a furniture rental place called The Point.
Here's a map.

because it's not an official club, bring your own pint and be prepared to toss some bills in the donation jar...
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 7:14 pm
 
How long does it take to change a tire anyway?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:19 pm
 
How long does it take to change a tire anyway?

About five minutes for those of us who are not mentally challenged. It only took me ten minutes to change a tire in a blizzard while tripping.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:33 pm
 
we got towed. we had no spare.
you can hate us all you want. and challenge our mental facilities, too.
while you're asking profound questions, how were we the only ones to make it to kc from denver in a blizzard after the cobras cancelled the whole show for every band?
answer: who cares?
what happened has happened. if you wanna see the cobras, go. if you wanna see us, go.
it is great to see the polarization. it's a quick weeding-out process.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 9:40 pm
 
Yeah, screw all them haters!

I'm heading to NYC early now to catch your Wednesday night show. I'll try to bring you some beer from the brewery I work at - hope you like good beer.....
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:00 pm
 
good beer

what's that?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:05 pm
 
while you're asking profound questions

It wasn't that profound. It was a simple question actually. I just wanted to see if you'd fly off the handle again.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:11 pm
 
Technically, you're not supposed to drive very far on your spare anyway. Not that it matters to me, I don't care about either band or their sides of the story. It all sounds like whiney justifications to me.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:21 pm
 
Technically, you're not supposed to drive very far on your spare anyway. Not that it matters to me, I don't care about either band or their sides of the story. It all sounds like whiney justifications to me.

fair enough.
if anyone else has a 'personal' beef, you can email me:
marksultan@yahoo.com
dale: i don't recall flying off the handle in this discussion, except when pushed about our money dealings (remember - that initial letter is from khan). but you have had a problem with me for a while now. if you wanna talk, my email is up there.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:42 pm
 
I don't have a problem with you Mark so don't try to play that card but it seems everytime you tour the US some dumb drama goes down around your camp and then it escalates in over 200 responses on an internet message board.

I would think that you've been on tour enough to realize that having a functioning spare tire is important.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:53 pm
 
if anyone else has a 'personal' beef

I don't got any beef. You seemed like a nice guy when I met you in Green Bay. I just think it's amusing how everyone is tripping all over each other to blow you because you got kicked off a tour. I'd kick someone off tour too if they missed shows, whether their cancellations were justified in their own minds or not. That's just me.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:57 pm
 
Play the race card! Play the RACE card!!!!!!!!!!!


HEE=HAWW!
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 10:59 pm
 
alright, everybody shut the fuck up an leave my man bbq alone. he didn't even say anything the least bit inflammatory. it was that stupid grrtch an "ed" who started the finger pointin. i hope alla you see what a turd "ed" really is an his band sounds like r.e.m.
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:28 pm
 
last post:
when i met you in person, i probably was decent, because that's how most people judge others - by talking in person and knowing them. if people are 'blowing us' and you are pissed, that's not my fault. they cancelled shows, too, but nobody cares. i have been on tours where shit happened with bands missing shows. they caught up on tour. read almost any book on small touring bands. yes, i have been on tour a million times and the bullshit never really is surprising. blown tire on highway. brad x, things aren't always the same for others as they are for you. there are two people in my band, dale, and you're calling me out. so it is personal. like i said:
if you have a problem with me, email me
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:50 pm
 
Where is the atlanta show being held tonight darlings? Hmmm?
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:57 pm
 
Who ever said I was pissed? I said "amused" as in, I think it's funny. I don't get upset when I see people acting submissive, I laugh at them.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:08 am
 
my apologies, banned. it's been a long day.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:08 am
 
eyedrum tonight
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:43 am
 
SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTS
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:49 am
 
King Khan & BBQ on the cover with a great article in Memphis' only daily newspaper was the icing on the cake for your recent show...please come on back to Memphis...we love y'all...& your new record..Murphy's or Buccaneer would be fabulous!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:19 am
 
mark arish,

im on my way done to eyedrum now. i got you a cocopuff.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:50 am | Edited by: dale
 
Mark-I'm not gonna volley this back and forth again...We've been at it a million times before and I just think you insinuate too much, play the victim and don't look before you leap quite often. I don't what you think you know or what you heard and I could care less. I just roll my eyes whenever another BBQ drama comes up. The changing the tire question was honest and legit. You're the one that started going off about polarity and haters after that. You're the one being defensive-not me.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:58 am | Edited by: I am the Arm
 
another BBQ drama

You're a drama.

Hee-Haw
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:19 am
 
AWESOME!!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:09 am
 
these money-grubbing fuckers just dont want the east coast to see us... it's not our fault that we blew away these back-stabbers every night.... what a waste

oh, now all you Goners hate the detroit cobras? lame. just because you got thrown off the tour, now you're calling them money grabbers? if that was the case, why did you agree to the tour in the first place? lame again. all you guys on this board continue to bitch and moan when you get fucked over. who fuckin cares. its rock n roll. this shit happens all the time.

im not saying i loathe KK&BBQ or hate the D.Cobras, i'm just making a point. so...you got kicked off the tour. who cares. move on. maybe you can open up for the electric six next time
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:08 am
 
why do you continue to post replies here on the board, dale? what does it do for you? i offered you my email. YOU are continuing this 'drama'. wtf? that is my last post on this subject. after this, you'll just be jerking off in a mirror.
I just roll my eyes whenever another BBQ drama comes up.
and then you keep on typing!!!! FUCK!!!!

if you have a problem with what khan wrote, take it up with him.

mitch: yes, lots of bitching and moaning. the more details we could put forth to better explain, the more we are bitching and moaning. we are playing shows now thanks to friends and all is good. at the moment, we are weighing offers from linkin park and mushroomhead.

over and out.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:20 am
 
Mark, I love you. Come see us. I need a massage, and the baseball is lonely.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:56 pm
 
So, what's up, is there a NY show or not?

Mike, KK&BBQ will be at Don Pedro's, down the street from Tim Warren's store, next Wednesday night (my birthday). 2 sets. 6 bucks, I think.

Rumor has it that there will also be a BBQ - or will KK join in the fun? - on Saturday the 18th in the backyard of Tim's store, too.
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:02 pm
 
MITCH CUMSTEIN scotty diablo ... you are so out of the loop and gay it is sad !!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:22 pm
 
I have to push start my car and I hate my job and I'm sitting in a bar alone and can't drink cause I have to pick some jerk up at the airport in two hours and there are no pancakes or waffles here

FUCK ALL Y'ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:25 pm
 
<img src="http://myspace-798.vo.llnwd.net/01408/89/71/1408971798_l.jpg">
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:25 pm
 
Ugh...
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:26 pm
 
www.myspace.com/cryptrecords

Or see "upcoming shows", cause yes they play Wednesday 15 at Don Pedro's. Yay!
Posted: Nov 11, 2006 8:04 pm
 
MITCH CUMSTEIN scotty diablo

why must you guys align me with this scotty diabblo character?

weak
Posted: Nov 11, 2006 9:19 pm
 
i heard that kk&bbq didn't even get a flat tire. they just cancelled the gig cause they did too much blow in memphis the night before.
so i guess the real question here is...which tire was it?
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 12:39 am
 
hey, gossipmonger - we played a sober show in nashville the night before. get your facts straight. i heard, i heard.... give it up. if you have any other questions or 'i heards', email me: marksultan@yahoo.com
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:51 am | Edited by: ed oblivian
 
I didn't get anyone kicked off anybodys tour. I'm not even on this tour. I now regret posting on this matter at all but I had to call bullshit on Khan's manifesto. And as for canceling the Canadian dates, KK&BBQ had already decided not to go back into Canada for those shows before they even got canceled for fear of not being able to get back into the US afterward. Carol told me this was their decision the day before Rachel tried to cross the border. So it didn't fuck anybody out of anything except a lot of fans who wanted to see both bands. The dates were canceled because 2 of the Cobras had DUI's which Canada frowns on pretty harshly. In my opinion Kaplan and the agency fucked everybody on this one because they were aware it would be a problem all along. They could have paid some fees and aquired limited work visas and all of this would have been taken care of. But he's only worried about his cut and the bottom line. He's not even a music fan. Just an asshole looking for his cut. The Cobras are not perfect but I must admit I get tired of seeing people bag on them. I've heard a lot worse. I've seen them play some terrible shows even been involved in a few train wrecks myself. But I've also seen them shine pretty good. They are no more a souless cover band than the Lyres, Dirtbombs, or Royal Pendeltons. They're prone to drunken fiascos no more or less than these fine folks or any others. They play covers. Get the fuck over it. And Dirk, My problem with Tim had nothing to do with me not honoring his contract. He did not honor his contract, HE did not pay US. He has since PAID US. Problem solved. Go name drop yourself into a hole fuckface. In conclusion, I hope that KK&BBQ line up enough shows to break even on this tour. They are a great live band. They put their heart into it and I beleive in what they do.
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 3:02 am
 
I'd like a TL&SiLA single. Where do I paypal/etc?
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 3:24 pm
 
oKAY, i usually refrain from writing on this thing but lets slap the truth out on the table...
A... Dave Kaplan's Assistant money worshipper Marc Bauer duped us and Larry Hardy all last year telling us the agency was interested in adding us to their roster of "artists". He said that if we work with them we would get to do a monster tour with the black lips where we share headlining and get 600 bucks each show for both bands.... Marc Bauer emailed us for a year kissing our butts in traditional money worshipping fashion... then the agency who shall be referred to as GOLEM in the rest of this letter stabbed us in the back.... so GOLEM says you can either tour with Rev.Horton and his Flaming ex-skinheads and the suidcide sluts from eight ball hell or the detroit cobras... naturally we chose the lesser of two evils and since we had a friendly history with the cobras we said why not.... after the second show we asked golem if he could write to the clubs and make sure we could get a soundcheck... than golem says... that is the job of your tourmanager... which i am not.... (evil laughter)hahahahah... wesay what the fuck? i thought you booked us as a package tour... golem says HAHAHA no way you misunderstood we never wanted you on our roster we just wanted you to bring your friends to a 20 dollar show and make them buy 6 dollar beers....anyways.... for the rest of the tour we were basically bitch slapped by a hideous creature who is sitting at a desk right now booking Black Lips in a House of Blues in Disneyworld for 400000 euros....(is ernie gonna throw money at goofy while he gets pissed on and beer cans thrown at him).... oh well the good get stiffed again by coporate fuckfaces... lets break out the patchoulie and fuck till our crabs are sore.... this is obvious... and mostly mine and larry's fault for falling for Golem's black tongue...BBQ smelled this rat from the beginning and wanted to book this whole thing ourselves....oh well we learn from our mistakes... like rule number one, dont trust alabama mechanics and always carry a spare.... FUCK the Agency... may our brothers the Black Lips rip them a new asshole... Fuck you dale for poking your nose in our shit and assuming we cant fix a spare tire or are lying... Dale your true colours have finally shown you whining little bitch... enjoy port huron and put some flowers on Larry's grave from me... certainly Larry would never have treated us the way you and joe dirty have... fuck you haters.... we had a great tour and it will be fun till the end.... I dont hate the cobras.... we had nice times too, but sorry for making better ORIGINAL R&B than you... i wanted to be your friends but you fucked us.... GOLEM did not have the balls to even call us personally , he called larry and told him we were kicked off the tour.... GOLEM even said the reason was that the Cobras were "sick of us".... sad, sad, sad.... well Cobras i think every venue we "rocked together" lost atleast two thousand bucks which will go into your stamp collecting habits... we made peanuts on this tour because we didnt play the game when golem offered us a deal.... we lost... you won... now when i go home to my kids with empty pockets atleast i have some wonderful gifts that people gave me because i have friends that i love and care about and who reciprocate that love in something other than heroin and cocaine.... though i must give a shout out to Jay Reatard for a free eight ball and Matt Muscle and King Louie who gave me lines on a ouija board (first time for me)....shit what was i talking about.... oh yeah rock n roll!!!! despite all the amputations we can just dance to the rock n roll station.... and cobras can fuck dogs or whatever they do in their fancy hotels... i love sleeping in my friends nests.... war is so boring lets do tarot and eat nutella off our privates... DEATH CULT FOR LIFE.... in the might words of Hannibal....
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!! see y'all in Bagdad and Bazooka Joe my parents are from INDIA and MTV desi wants INDIAN ARTISTS... and since BBQ is regarded as one of my mothers adopted children he is indian too, hence the turban.... love and death to all false euro metal and MC5 = cock rock....
king Bama Lama Khan
Emancipator of RnR
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 3:44 pm
 
I love you?
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 4:28 pm | Edited by: dale
 
How did I fuck you guys over? I didn't book your fucking tour and I didn't kick you off it. My true colors? It was said you guys had a flat tire and couldn't make a show. I wondered how long it took to change a flat (the wife had one yesterday and it took me all of 20 minutes from start to finish) and then wondered why you guys didn't have a spare. SO asking how long it takes to change a flat is showing my true colors? And how am I poking my nose into your business (other than asking how long it takes to change a flat) when you guys are the one posting all this shit-not me-I'm the one that's whining about getting fucked over? Talk about true colors. Jeez. What the fuck does Larry have to do with this anyway. The guy's been dead for 7 years.

You realize outside of this little garage rock message board world no ones gives a shit don't know? Wow! My reputation is sooo ruined now...
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 4:46 pm
 
the lyres are one of the greatest bands in the history of rock an roll an monomanmonolly has writtena ton of great tunes. unlike you "ed". everybody knows eric carried you in the oblivs an now yer just coastin in their wake. an it's okay for you to "name drop" left an right but when i do it i'm a fuckface??? real mature...
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 6:12 pm
 
Just stick to the facts, ladies. You too, Fuckface.
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 11:50 pm
 
KK&BBQ are so punk rock with all their cocaine and shit, and they're bitching about not getting soundchecks? come on.
the tire story is still bullshit. did you not have a spare? do you not know how to change a tire? come on, give us an answer, SOMETHING! this crap about not trusting an alabama mechanic is laughable. just admit you blew off the show.
if all the kaplan/bauer/golem care about is money, then don't you think they would've done everything possible to make the 8 canadian shows happen? does their 10% cut of your $200 a night really add up to anything?
khan and mark have to be the biggest self-defeaters...i'm sure you were nothing but cordial with the agency, right? perfect gentleman? no threatening phone calls? you are both insane.
you say you got bitch-slapped for the rest of the tour, but really fail to mention anything the agency did personally to you. they ever fuck over the black lips? keep shifting the blame, but anyone here with half a brain can see what's up.
khan and bbq dug their own grave. anyone who fails to see that is the perfect example of blind allegiance. go drink the kool-aid you death cult fags.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 12:10 am
 
some people on this board are SICK dude.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:15 am
 
you know us, apparently. who are you, 'optigan'? write me: marksultan@yahoo.com
yes, getting booted is totally just and right and it really is all our fault. and we are fags.
big ups to big business. fuck small bands.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:19 am
 
i have to agree with optigan 100% on this one.

the posted letter on this board i read was ridiculous.

dont you guys think this will ruin any relationship larry hardy has with the agency group or any booking agencies for that matter? why would a booking agency want to book you guys now? larry runs a BUSINESS and his business includes getting his bands on the road to sell records and get some decent guarantees for the bands, so hopefully they can stay on the road and eventually not have day jobs slinging lattes.

you guys most definitely dug your own graves on this one
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:26 am
 
Dirk, you're a joke. You're baiting is beyond boring and you're name dropping reveals your desperate desire to be adored. As the Figures of Light so aptly put it "it's lame".
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:29 am
 
my guess is you and optigan are the same person

They are not the same.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:38 am
 
dirk is a joke. saying that ed oblivian somewhat rode anyones coattails is totally ridiculous. i'm a big fan of ed's body of work and contributions over the years. oblivians, gamblers, r. sound, detroit cobras, workdogs, deadly snakes etc. it aint easy being the genius that he is, and having a jaggoff like yourself come on this board and diss him is a desperate way for attention

hey dirk, why dont you list your discography on the board so we can all relish in your musical genius. im guessing you wont, because you have zero to contribute to this board and recorded music itself.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:28 am
 
my guess is you and optigan are the same person

They are not the same.


Who is it then? you have "outed" folks and their fake names before, what's stopping ya?
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:36 am
 
dont you guys think this will ruin any relationship larry hardy has with the agency group or any booking agencies for that matter? why would a booking agency want to book you guys now? larry runs a BUSINESS and his business includes getting his bands on the road to sell records and get some decent guarantees for the bands, so hopefully they can stay on the road and eventually not have day jobs slinging lattes.


I would NOT speak for Larry Hardy if I were you, I think he is doing just fine without your analysis...
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:38 am
 
you have "outed" folks and their fake names before, what's stopping ya?


O.k.

Rich Balls was the last person to impersonate Mark Sultan as "BBQ".
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:55 am
 
I have one question. Do people accidentally call Greg "Ed" now? Has Ed Norton even been in a movie in the last 6 years? Perhaps he should be called Greg Norton now.

Also, do you people know how many calories are in Nutella? You cannot be eating that stuff in your mid-thirties and beyond and expect to fit in your favorite clothes.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 3:03 am
 
Jack Stands is Optigan
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 3:05 am
 
and
Dead Spoon
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 3:10 am
 
I have no idea who Optigan is. I know who Dead Spoon is. And I know Rich Balls lives for trifling over stuff that ain't any of his business.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:03 am
 
This is true.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:27 am
 
hooray for the underground!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:52 am
 
Doctor Optigan...it's his business...
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:38 pm
 
you're the one who's lame "ed". that's the whole point of this thread. figures of light rule!!!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:20 pm
 
I would NOT speak for Larry Hardy if I were you, I think he is doing just fine without your analysis...

we're all entitled to our opinions buddy
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 5:04 pm
 
Ya know, I'm just a lame-o with an office job so I'm well aware that I'm not qualified to give working bands advice, but there's this thing that our long gone founding fathers in rock invented many many years ago called Do It Yourself (or DIY for short).

It's relatively simple, tried, true, and has worked beautifully for many people. It kinda works like this, class: You have a band that makes music and you have a fan that enjoys the music. Anything, or anybody in the middle of that relationship throughout history has been proved to be a leach who is out for both the band and the fans money. Sure, there are people in the middle who have their own good intentions and might even be fans/bands themselves. Regardless they are still leaches and if you deal with em long enough you are certain to get screwed. So the basic idea is to simply cut em out.

It's simple really and for the life of me I don't understand why bands continue to deal with booking agents, (bigger) labels, managers, etc. But then again I'm just a dude sit'n in a cubical about to eat a McRib.

If you still don't understand, go see Unknown Passage / Dead Moon Story.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 5:10 pm
 
dead moon totally has a booking agent -- i'm all for DIY but some aspects of 'the business' are best left to people who do 'business' stuff -- booking a tour is sort of a pain in the ass and some pain in the ass things are worth paying someone else to do
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 5:29 pm
 
Bazooka Joe my parents are from INDIA and MTV desi wants INDIAN ARTISTS


Then why MTV Desi? I dont understand where there is a connection at all.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 5:33 pm
 
I think the reason that people use booking agents is that despite the money that they take from the band, they are better suited for getting bands guarantees. Personally, I've never liked the concept of a guarantee. I've been a promotor almost as long as I've been playing shows and I've paid certain people alot of money out of my own pocket, when I didn't have it to spare because of conditions that were not my fault. Sometimes you promote the hell out of a show and do everything right and nobody shows up anyway. It's just as unfortunate that a promotor be responsible for shouldering that as it is when the band has too. Eventually though, as you try more and more to make living on the road and playing shows constantly a reality, the idea of being guaranteed enough to make it viable becomes more and more important.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:50 pm
 
Dave Kaplan is Dead Moon's booking agent. He books a lot of people you all like. And you'll still go see them. Do people still mistake you for a mandible? It's a screen name.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:00 pm
 
I am a mandible. Nothing more than a disembodied jaw. My faithful assistant types these posts for me. She eats way too much nutella.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:05 pm
 
is "ed" ever pleasant to anybody??? i doubt it (unless they're kissin his ass). "people" been tellin me about his attitude problem for a long time. they were right. what a jerk.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:08 pm
 
One positive thing about being a mandible is that no one can tell if you're scowling or smiling. Don't have any lips or facial muscles.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:10 pm
 
Stand back, baby. Stand back....
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:13 pm
 
I don't wanna have to give you a smack

nonono
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:17 pm | Edited by: ed oblivian
 
Busted! I'm nothing but an REM, Counting Crows wannabe jerk! Stipe still mentions me in his bio! Funny enough, unlike you, compliments make me feel awkward. I don't really feel I've done much of anything compared to those I admire. Much less do I run around yelling "I rule". I hope someone jumps into your party line Dirk, as it will prove to you that your junior high circular logic really does work. I'll be in NY this week. If the urge to leave your suburban shelter should strike come down to coyote and see me. I'll let you smoke my giant florida doobie. P.S. You're an idiot.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:20 pm
 
I'll be in NY this week.

Sorry dude, I have no money for recs. Just dropped $80 today on a killer soul instro by Terry and the Topics on Coral. It's called "Where's My Pussycat?" Sweeeeet... Mick Collins' actually bought it for me. I sold all my Dirtbombs 45's on ebay and collected sick money for 'em on Sunday. I had to buy a train ticket to PA with the rest. Thanks Mick! YOU RULE!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:40 pm
 
Dirtbombs 45's on ebay and collected sick money
which ones did you sell, I should get rid of mine...
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:42 pm | Edited by: bazooka joe
 
All Geeked Up ($22), High Octane Salvation ($9), tour split with the Black Lips ($66) plus some other non-bd's stuff.

The BBQ Blacksnake on SSLD got me a heap too. Thanks dudes!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:04 pm
 
The BBQ Blacksnake on SSLD got me a heap too. Thanks dudes!

How much did you get for that?
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:05 pm
 
Ok I'm not gonna totally retract my statement because I know what I meant. But it's only a matter of time before somebody writes a 10 page thesis on living rock-n-roll, making ends meet, guarantees, and how I don't know shit about the business. But all I'm saying is almost every time any band from this scene get's wrapped up with big time shows, House of Blues type shows it almost always ends in somebody getting fucked, bands breaking up, and friendships shattered. I'll be the first to admit that if I was in a band I probably wouldn't pass up the opportunity to tour with a bigger band (not necessarily better, just bigger band) just for the experience. But really, there is not one band out of this scene that has any business playing House of Blues or dealing with industry type scum.

King Khan / BBQ could have just toured by them selves and came out a lot better. I know if they would have played in my little hick town tons of people would have showed up, they would have made plenty of dough (despite nobody here being able to promise a guarantee) and they would have had a lot more fun. And I'm sure they could have done the same thing in plenty of other towns. That record has gotten around on its own merits and tons of people are dig'n it despite being relatively DIY. . You are almost asking for it when you agree to the big tours like that. All I;m sayin.

The internet is cool.
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:51 pm
 
Greg,

Bring more records to Academy!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:58 pm
 
The BBQ Blacksnake on SSLD got me a heap too. Thanks dudes!

How much did you get for that?


$38!
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 10:45 pm
 
second what bvalentine said, and i am in a band that tours!
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 12:11 am
 
i am phil honolulu.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 1:50 am
 
phil honolulu rules.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 2:00 am
 
SO WE'VE GOT ANOTHER NOBODY WHOSE GONNA CONSTANTLY TALK ABOUT HIMSELF NOW

YAY!!!!11oneoneoneone
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:03 am
 
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER NOBODY

so... define what exactly makes one person a NOBODY as apposed to a somebody... or shall I say SOMEBODY.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:09 am
 
Billy, you're a somebody to me, cuz I love you man!
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:18 am
 
we're all nobodies stupid cupid...you're only a somebody if you ain't on the innernetz
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:19 am
 
how much is the kkbbq/dc's tour single going for?
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:52 am
 
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER NOBODY

so... define what exactly makes one person a NOBODY as apposed to a somebody... or shall I say SOMEBODY.


Dude, you haven't noticed that there are people on this board that live in an imaginary-internet dream world, where they think that they're THEE COOLEST ROCKERS EVER TO LIVE!!!

If you don't have a band, or at least kiss a bunch of band's asses via a gig or the Goner Board... then you're a nobody....at least to some REALLY HIP and COOL SOMEBODYS on here....
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:52 am
 
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:24 am
 
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=241458&GT1=7702

now i can be somebody!
















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Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:54 am
 
guitar rifts

the hell is a guitar rift
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:32 pm
 
We;re almost at page three! PARTY!
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:33 pm
 
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Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:33 pm
 
Nope.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:33 pm
 
Yup!
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:57 pm
 
it is great how much people give a shit about this.... so since all eyes are on this thread lemme tell you a funny story.... ed oblivian is dave kaplan and kaplan is the one that nostradamus was warning us about... you know that jelly faced monster with the intent to destroy rock n roll... i had no intention on creating a big controversy...oh shit maybe that was ed oblivian... inst he the one that i remember never showering when he was with the deadly snakes... yes DIY is the way we should always work, duh! me and bbq are a punk rock death doo wop outfit that doesnt work with people who book bands in the house of blues in new orleans on halloween... we made a bad decision.... lets hope the black lips and scorpions and all the other "real" bands do well with the agency.... i just wanna thank all those who helped us book our shows up the east coast... we had a blast and now i can go home and show my kids the new richard pryor dvd i traded shit for... can anyone burn stir crazy and send it to me.... i"ll show you mine if you burn me stir crazy.... ooooh prositution can be vile
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:03 pm
 
if it don't stink, it ain't punk
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:06 pm
 
THEE COOLEST ROCKERS EVER TO LIVE!!!
Goddamn.....that's my new band name.....but when I form it, I'm gonna break it up immediately 'cause I can't live up to the hype.....
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:44 pm | Edited by: bvalentine
 
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:46 pm
 
A bad couple weeks for Canadian one man bands...Bloodshot Bill got stopped at the border and now he's banned from the US for 5 years...
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:52 pm
 
and now he's banned from the US for 5 years...
Damn! I never did get to see him when he came through town.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:41 pm
 
This all basically blows over within a few months. It's not a big deal, everyone gets pissed & "makes up" all the time, and the ones who refuse are the real a-holes. Khan's a great dude, Mark rules, and "Ed's" been nice enough the few times I've talked to him, I'm sure this won't escalate into nuclear proliferation. And I'm sure all involved have respect for each other's talents. It's gotta be hard to stay away from a place where people are likely talking shit about you, but that's ultimately the best thing to do.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:44 pm
 
word.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:59 pm
 
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:40 pm
 
todd predicted that some far left wing of jehova witness inuits would fill the grand canyon with seal poop on sept 11th of 2001 and then the leader would be apprehended and it would be found out that he was Tootie from Facts of Life so read between the lines
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:00 pm
 
Tony LA LA!
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:00 pm
 
Billy, figues you'd post the pic of bama lama's blacksnake.

Who's blow? Who's blowin?
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:02 pm
 
The King Khan & BBQ Show are superior to the Detroit Cobras (and I am not speaking in terms of geography)...
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:17 pm
 
Funny, I just looked over at the GP forums and Khan copied his giant message from above over there in a similar thread. He answers me in it to a question on this board in another forum.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:23 pm
 
its a shame to see so many talented people fighting in such a small, close scene. the only thing this kind of shit does is hurt the fans and keep them away from records and shows.

this shit we all like is obscure enough as it is, and i just can't see a reason to keep posting this garbage and turn more and more people off.
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:28 pm
 
this shit we all like is obscure enough as it is, and i just can't see a reason to keep posting this garbage and turn more and more people off.

People who have obscure enough tastes are just as petty and vindictive as anybody else anyway, however, i]The King Khan & BBQ Show are superior to the Detroit Cobras[/i]...
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:32 pm
 
I would think it'd get more people to the shows
like tupac and biggie
or who shot jr?
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:34 pm
 
I would think it'd get more people to the shows
like tupac and biggie
or who shot jr?


The King Khan & BBQ Show are too intelligent for that shit, dawg...
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 10:36 pm
 
too intelligent to work the rubes and get attendance up at the shows

naw eye no whut u sayin, naw whut eye sayin
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