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Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:33 am
you might be playing it right now, or maybe it's on a wish list and costs $2000.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:35 am
Ampeg '79 SVT, tube.

The Speakers MUST be a Kustom 3x15.

Bass, mind you.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:49 am
AmpLand.com has a nice selection.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:56 am
i'd like a deluxe reverb amp. thats it. maybe a vibroverb.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 7:02 am
Magnatone 280... that makes a purty sound.

For loud rock n roll, mid to late 60's Twins can do very nice things though they can also throw icepicks into your ears.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 7:02 am
Bass - Ampeg Portaflex

Guitar - Ampeg Gemini (circa late 60's)

I have the guitar amp, but not the bass.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 7:10 am
Anyone ever owned a Matchless? I saw the newest guy from the Jayhawks play one for guitar and pedal steel a few years ago, and it was the greatest tone I've ever heard.

Also, any Vox that isn't mine usually sound pretty great.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 7:48 am
I would love an Ampeg VT-40.
Sadly, I'll probably never be able to find one.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 8:00 am
Vavlevtron FT-190 tube amp. 100 watts that will shatter your skull in a Mummies/Digits/Black Death kinda way. Totally re-schemed mine's out wit' 56-50's and an all circuit super chip. TONE FOR MILES.

Kidding, Twin Reverbs be good, though.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 10:15 am
Mine favorite amp being a custom make Japanese Yukasuki 54XP. It a stacking but really a combo amp. Here why it a combo amp: I press the right combination of button in back, huge nuclear warhead go off on stage during "Neat, Neat, Neat".





Loving to hate yous, MR. and Mistress USA!!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 12:48 pm
Vox AC15, hands-down the best thing I've ever owned!

Mind you, I've now got a Vox Pathfinder, which sounds preety darn close, especially thru a 2x10 or 1x12 cab, and y'all can still gets 'em off Musicians Friend in the US for about $100! Loud enuff to gig with, really great Vox tone, plus trem and reverb ... THE best value thing I ever bought.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 1:56 pm
Sovtek MIG 60 or my 66 Bassman.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 1:57 pm
I got an H&H head with an old cabinet with two Celestions and that is really really loud and clean. With fuzz it sounds really piercing and great. Its the best amp I've owned. I gave up on valves, I like the harsh, crunchy 70's transistor sound.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 1:58 pm | Edited by: Shaun A
Oh yeah! If I had the cash I'd have a Sovtek or a Selmer. I love playing through those though.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:21 pm
My fave amp I own now is a Gretsch Rogue.
http://groups.msn.com/PittsburghBluesWeb/thejacketsrig.msnw?action=Sho wPhoto&PhotoID=128

It's HUGE with 2 12" speakers...solid state but sounds tube....craziest tremelo echo ever.

I gig on a Vox VR30.....uber cool and small.....very loud.

Record with a Vox Pathfinder direct into the board....amazing sound.

BEST amp I ever owned and have tried to buy back for 8 years is a Ampeg Gemini VI.......it's BIG STAR sounding amp with great reverb and tremelo.....big Jensen Blue bell speaker.
http://www.brettallenstudiorental.com/Amps/121601pics/Ampeg65GeminVI.j pg
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:33 pm
Shaun, heard good things about them H&Hs, they're going up in price, too ... Golightly, that Ampeg IS the same model as the one Chilton used on Radio City, rite?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:38 pm
JCM 800's 50 watts. my fav's the JCM's 2000 are good too, but don't get the same bust up. lee jackson xls are great. and my Hinson (for those in memphis who know this custom amp maker) is decent. if we're playing any fantasy amp, a Dumble i guess, but i don't have 20,000 bucks lying around.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:40 pm
fender deville. four tens rule!!!

(got one a those vox pathfinders too. not bad for a hundred bucks.)
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:49 pm | Edited by: andy
I would love an Ampeg VT-40.

I've got one, I used it for years. A couple of years ago it blew up. I had a bunch of broken amps sitting around and a couple of months ago I took 'em all in to get repaired. The VT-40 is still at the shop. I can't wait to get it back. Great amp. Only strike against it is that it weighs a ton.

The amp I'm using now is a Gibson GA20-T. It's an old thing from the 50's. It rules. It needed a speaker when I got it . One day when I was taking the trash out I found a cabinet with an old JBL in it that someone threw out. I really lucked out on that one. Boy, there hasn't been one time where I played that amp at a show where someone hasn't come up and told me how good it sounds. It's perfect for me right now.

Ned, did you play through that 4X10 bassman they had at Baby Monster? That amp was amazing.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 2:56 pm
Jeff, that gretsch looks cool. I picked up a little 2x10 gretsch from Taylors while I was in Memphis. It's got a latchable cover. Kinda looks like a sewing machin with the cover on. In fact I thought it was a sewing machine. Can't wait to show up to gigs and have people think I'm about to do some live sewing!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:01 pm | Edited by: dirk diggler
no ididn't see that. i used carzy jenna's reissue at union pool though. nice. at baby monster i used my marshall jcm 800 100 w. half stack. we used his 60's ludwigs though. i had a 66 bandmaster an bassman that i bought in the late 90's an never used. then i hadda sell em when i moved. wish i hadn't but i had nowhere to store em. andy did you know steve burgh who owned baby monster died??? he played the guitar on billy joels just the way you are. i heard a funny story about him recently. some old pics of hendrix playin in the 60's downtown had been unearthed an they knew who everybody in the photos were except fot the other guitar player. so somebody suggested they call steve an ask him since he was around back then. he took one look at the photo an said that's me!!! he told me he had a tape of hendrix an miles jammin in the studio.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:02 pm
Imagine this from your memoirs published in 2030:
"We stopped by my grandma's house to say goodbye as we're on our way to the biggest stadium show of our lives. We pack the stuff and off we go. When we arrive it's like a sea of people, thousands - I think it was over 100,000 people all waiting for us. We come onstage and a huge cheer goes up as we'd come on a little later to get the crowd going, and then I take the top off my amp - and it's my grandma's sewing machine under there. The national guard had to escort us out of there. People were gonna kill us".
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:03 pm
Ed, what's that great amp pictured on the RS Goner LP cover, that sounds so sweet?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:06 pm
marshall jcm 800

The last good Marshall ever made. The 900s are to fizzy. The new ones are horrible, about 4 out of 10 come back for repairs. I like the 50 watt version a little better.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:09 pm
Can't wait to show up to gigs and have people think I'm about to do some live sewing!

". . .And that's Lance back there on the cookware. . ."
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:13 pm
Steve was a nice man, really willing to help bands that had limited resources. I'm sad to hear that. Good guy.

Wonder what happened to that bassman? Just kidding.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:18 pm
Reigning Sound will keep you in stitches!

I'm telling you...that Rogue and it's Gretsch brother the Nashville are the shit.....BUT......it's too big to throw in the back seat and gig with.....I played a gig in Oxford and had to haul it up a practically vertical flight of stairs.....but everyone commented all night on how good it sounded.
It'll be the amp I keep the rest of my life......also it's got a light that shines up on the GRETSCH logo....so if you're gigging and you forget what kind of amp could sound so cool, you just turn around and go "oh yeah.....it's a GRETSCH".

Gigging with the Vox VR30 is where it's at....I had a Deluxe reissue but could never get any growl....the Vox is great but I am saving up for one of the newer AC15s
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:20 pm
BKS.....that's what I've heard....if it ain't it's gotta be some AMPEG like it.....it just screams BIG STAR
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:23 pm
he played the guitar on billy joels just the way you are

There's guitar on that song?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:26 pm
Favorite recording amp... Silvertone 1176 from the late 50's. Crappy tremolo but sweet, sweet sound.

I recently got an early 60's Silvertone solid state amp (Bass 35) that has the greatest crappy sound ever. Unfortunely, it's just not quite loud enough for live gigs.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:26 pm
Funnily enuff, Golightly, a guitar dude I was drinking with last week hepped me to his boss's new line of hand-wired Vox reissues, marketed under the JMI logo, which he said sound EXACTLY like the originals, pretty pricey, though, especially for y'all: URL

Now I've had it recapped, and replaced the shitty CTS speaker with a Gallien Kreuger mid-bass driver, my 1966 Epiphone Comet has been getting a lotta favourable comments, sound-wise, at Stripchords gigs. I hear theey're still pretty cheap, too, great reverb and tremolo: URL
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:30 pm
OUCH! That IS pricey....I do a British Invasion/Beatles solo gig (private parties etc) and the Vox amp and the Rickenbacker with Pyramid flat wound strings is the shit
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:31 pm
I wouldn't mind playing through a Sovtek, mainly cuz I never have and have seen some bands get gnarly sounds with 'em (Gaunt, Karp, etc.)

I've got a Music Man combo thass aight, but mainly for the 'I love you, Dad' some kid drew with flowers and shit on the side. It makes me warm and squishy. That kid was a bitch to strangle too. He kept kickin and screamin and was lookin at me like I was doin something wrong. Lil fucker.

My bass shit rules though. Big ass Crate cab w/ some fancy speaker replaced in the top (Stein-something? You people know). The head is this sweet old Kustom PA head and it rules. Shit is fuckin loud.

I'm singing in a band now, so I don't have to worry about shit and get to prance around like the asshole that I am. Snark.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:33 pm
kim deal
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:38 pm
Golightly, I gots them Pyramids on my Ricky 370/12, and they ARE awesome, really THE sound ... Just bought some light gauge (10-46) Pyramids for my Mosrite copy, so as I can keep it in London when we move to Bath, can come up fer Stripchords gigs, and won't have to change strings as often - flats seem louder than regular rounds, too, any thoughts on that?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:40 pm
kim deal

I was thinking along those same lines. I like The Amps!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:41 pm
Joe, just keep dancing, man!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:54 pm
BKS....the flats are nickel plated and my thought is that the pick ups like the nickel plating.....I use the 11's....they are expensive but I've had the same strings on since around Christmas....I only change them twice a year....they NEVER break and if you clean the sweat off of them after a set, they last forever.
Thomastik makes great flat wounds too....I got some on my bass and it's a McCartney sounding son of a gun.
My name is Golightly......and I'm a Beatle Queer.
{Group response "Hello Golightly!"}
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 3:56 pm
The amp on the goner album is a magnatone "tonemaster" with 2x12's. It's a great amp but I've travelled with it a lot and I'm thinking it may be time to retire it as it's looking a little rough these days.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 4:00 pm
Oh yeah! The amp I used for pretty much all the Gamblers and Oblivians stuff was a early 70's peavy classic. all tube. 2x12's. got it for $75 and drove it into the ground. It wound up with Louie and then i think he passed it on to someone else.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 4:09 pm
Right now I'm digging this Dwight amp that Greg Carwright gave me- I can't thank Greg enough since it is completely evil. I've got a Kay amp that has some awesome tremulo.
All the Jack O'Fire sessions were done with a solid state Spectra amp, except for one session and I think that amp was solid state, too.
Groovy gravy!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 4:29 pm
NEW Ampegs sound like shit....all midrange......
Old Blue Diamond series like the Super jet and the Gemini's cannot be beat.

Of course that is why Baskin-Robbins makes all them flavors of ice cream......everyone likes something different.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 4:29 pm
I've got a Ampeg portaflex (solid state) but the head stopped working on it not long ago. On a lark I hooked up my Sunn Model T 100 watt head to the cabinet and it sounded pretty good. Actually, it's my guitar rig as well, now that I'm playing guitar again. I just have to tweak the head a little for it to sound halfway decent. Looks a little funny but it gets the job done.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 4:54 pm
You can find old ampegs all over ny/nj for relatively cheap. Especially Geminis, they must have made millions of those.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:01 pm
Gemini's go off on ebay for between 300-600 bucks.....but shipping is expensive because they are so heavy.

Only the ones with the Jensen Blue bell speakers are the good ones.....plus they got some crazy ass tubes that are/were hard to find.....the power tubes are 7591's and there are a couple of 7199's in there too.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:03 pm
We picked up 6L6's portaflex in ohio when his other rig crapped out. gotta say for a solid state I always thought that was a great amp and a good deal. What'd you get it for? I can't recall.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:07 pm
Lisa's got a really cool Sano 2x12 - all tube that sounds REAL nice...great tremolo, but is really just not loud enough for live shows....great for recording, though...
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:12 pm
What'd you get it for? I can't recall.

Maybe $300?
Remember two/three nights later when we were at Lit and it stopped working? Thankfully it decided to cooperate from that point forward, until about two months ago.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:12 pm
plus they got some crazy ass tubes that are/were hard to find.....the power tubes are 7591's and there are a couple of 7199's in there too.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. They can be retrofited to take 5881 but I don't know how that sounds. 7199 hard to get now too, huh? The bigger ampegs like the VT-40 take 7027, I got a couple of those stashed away from my days at sovtek.

I guess I haven't gone amp shopping in while. I used to see the geminis for $100-$150
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:13 pm
I useta have a little gretsch with 2 6x9 speakers and a little 4 inch tweeter in the corner! Like some kinda god damn portable car stereo for yer guitar! Not loud but sound men loved it cause they're always tellin you to turn down anyway.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:14 pm
SUNN Model T (original '71-'74) played through one SUNN late 60's 412 and one SUNN late 70's 412 cabs--older cab brings the highs-mids, newer cab brings mids-lows. No distortion pedals, only a SUNN late 70's rack eq that churns up a roaring mid sound like a herd of buffalo thundering down a mountain getting chased by an avalanche. This is the guitar sound I had in my head for years and I finally finished putting this rig together last year and couldn't be happier.

Our other guitar player uses a '73 Ampeg V4 head run through a Blues Driver pedal with a Peavey full stack underneath. Whereas my shit sounds like a molasses flood pouring down your street, his lead notes are .50 caliber rifle bullets piercing through the walls. The V4 is the best-sounding, most versatile clean tube head I've ever heard and I'd recommend them to anyone playing any type of rock music. They're also fucking bulletproof, easy to find and still reasonably priced although with ebay who knows, six months from now they could be the next gotta-have amp. My Model T has doubled in price in the last year, but I luckily found mine in a store before the increase.

Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:16 pm
fender deville. four tens rule!!!

(got one a those vox pathfinders too. not bad for a hundred bucks.)

I play the 2X12 deville and I love it. I figure if I want it to squeal like the 4 10s, I'll buy a tube screamer one of these days, but I like the fatter tone of the 2 12s. Fenders are definitely LOUD! I usually play it on 3 or 4 and that's more than plenty. I played a show once and had it half way up and it was probably way too loud, but fun...

And I'll also vouch for the vox. I've got one and it sounds better than any practice amp I've ever played and is loud enough to practice with drums. Not loud enough to gig with though, I don't think.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:22 pm
I ran 2 Vox Pathfinders together and they are deffo giggable.
Crazy loud and if you hit the tremelos on both of them set to different speeds you will throw up.
BEST hundred dollar amp on the market
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:23 pm | Edited by: carney
fender deville. four tens rule!!!

I don't like the deville series (Blues Jr, Deluxe, etc) IF you use the drive or the more drive channels. If you use the clean channel and just turn it up they are fine. Be carefull transporting these amps, the circuit boards are prone to cold solder joints caused by vibration.

I have a pro jr that I had rebuilt with a solid pine cab and a 12" celestion G12H. Swapped the chinese tubes for cheap nos and the thing sounds like a $1000 boutique amp at a fraction of the price. I use it at gigs all the time, it's loud enough.

Another great sleeper amp is the Peavey classic 30. I think they sound better than the deville series.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:25 pm
Hell, I just checked ebay and there are about FOUR Ampeg V4s on there right now including one with a $450 buy it now! I'd jump all over that shit if I was in the market for a tube head--cmon people! Drop the goddamn $800 Fender combos and get serious about kicking more ass for less money.

Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:33 pm
The Peavey Classic 30 is a great amp.....if you get one, go on ebay and get a tube holder thingy to keep the tubes from rattling

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOMS-TUBE-TAMER-For-Peavey-Delta-Blues-Classic-30_ W0QQitemZ250026235546QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:34 pm
my bum right ear started ringing while reading this thread. Coincidence? I think not.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:35 pm
V4's totally rule! Here's a tip, the bass version (V4B) is the SAME EXACT amp without reverb. No other dif. If you don't use reverb or have an outboard reverb, they usually go for even less $$$ because no bass players use 'em anymore.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:59 pm
I had a V4B years ago and regrettably sold it, found the V4 six months ago for a mere $400. The only downside is I think I've got another hernia, but hey, that's rocknroll.

Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:20 pm | Edited by: Uptight White
The true Tone King is the Selmer Zodiac 30. It has it's own signature British amp sound, and it's also a real beauty, with a flashing tremelo eye and croc skin.


But I LOVE the Selmer Treble & Bass 50 MKII for it's versatility. It provides serious growling crunch, booming sludge, or Music Machine fuzz through the bass channel and a 1x18 or a 4x12. The treble channel chimes, chimes, chimes. Not like a Vox AC30 Top Boost, but close.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:25 pm
I borrowed my friend's Peavey Butcher for a show....not bad.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:29 pm
I like the trem/vibrato and reverb on them old tuck and roll Kustoms too
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:41 pm
i like my vox ac-30. its new and the retards at the guitar store sold me the really niceone for the price of the model below....on sale.

theres a sovtek mig 100 that this guy left at my house about a month ago and i'm tempted to sell it.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:42 pm
sovtek mig 100

Keep it.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:43 pm
I don't like the deville series (Blues Jr, Deluxe, etc) IF you use the drive or the more drive channels.

I almost only use the Drive channel and get compliments all the time. I'm sure it has to do with the guitar too though. And I usually don't play anywhere big enough where I can turn that clean channel up enough to get any break up. That thing's loud!

Be carefull transporting these amps, the circuit boards are prone to cold solder joints caused by vibration.

But now you're worrying me. It always sounds like things are moving around in there a little too much when I carry it around...

Lula has a Musicman HD 130 head that sounds awesome! It has separate guitar and bass channels and it sounds killer for both! I might pick up another one of those down the road for guitar...
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:44 pm
You want some gnarly overdrive, put yr shit through one of those cigarette-pack amps and stand back. Don't work so well for bass. In my old (noise) band I ran that shit through a Rat into a Big Muff.

How much do Sovtek's go for?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:49 pm
How much do Sovtek's go for?

You might be able to get $500 out of the 100 Watt one on Ebay. I've got a 50 watt sovtek head (not the midget) and it started fucking up a year or two after I got it (new, a long time ago) and I never got it fixed because I wasn't impressed with the tone. But now I keep hearing about how great they sound, so I may get it fixed and check it out...
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:51 pm
Usually around 300-400 bucks. Check them out carefully, every one is a little different. Their quality control is all over the place. I have two, they are built like tanks, but they sometimes need a tweek or two.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 7:19 pm
"Selmer Zodiac 30"

damn those are awesome amps!
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:02 pm
late 50's Fender Champ.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:07 pm
played a 100 watt all tube sovtek head through a fender 4x12 for a few years and eventually downgraded because there was so much signal loss unless you had straight 120 current and so many bars and places are all daisy chained up that the tubes wouldnt get the power they needed to really roar.

One solution is bias the amp so that it sees a higher plate voltage. Best left to an amp tech.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:10 pm
"BEST hundred dollar amp on the market"

--you fellows obviously aren't hip to the new Epiphone Valve Jr. 5 watts of all-tube class "A" fury with exactly one knob. I had a Pathfinder that I gave to Quinn Powers, who promptly got it stolen. It was cool for $100, but nothing even close to the Valve Jr.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:25 pm
I've been wondering about those Epiphones. They look pretty sweet and the whole line is really affordable.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:46 pm
anyone have opinions on behringers?
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:53 pm
I'm scared of those Behringers......almost every review on Harmony Central talks about knobs breaking off and just falling apart.
Chinese bullshit methinks

Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:54 pm
I don't know where red eyed willie has been, but he used to have a Fender Vibro-champ that was cool as hell.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 9:56 pm
anyone have opinions on behringers?

Yeah, I'm scared like Golightly. And I have a problem with modeling amps in general. I can't imagine any of them sound close to the original, but I've never played a behringer amp, so I don't know.

But I do have a Behringer mixer and power amp that both work and sound great, except for the mixer's onboard effects, which bleed into other subgroups even when hard panned...
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 10:14 pm
I think Behringer gets you interested by the low price.....I bought a tremelo pedal for 19 dollars......it was a 19 dollar tremelo pedal.
Sounded horrendous.
Sent it back to MUSIC123.com
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 10:30 pm
anyone have opinions on behringers?

just wondering
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 11:38 pm
My favorites that I own are an old Ampeg Gemini 2, tone for days and some of the best reverb and tremelo going. I also have a 68 Fender Bassman combo with 4x10's that has a killer sound and is virtually indestructable. Hmm, the old Gibson Minuteman is a wonderful little amp as well, and is has an amazing reverb. I also have this little piece of shit Harmony that is great for at home, but it only puts out 10 or 12 watts.
Posted: Sep 12, 2006 11:40 pm
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 1:03 am
V4's totally rule! Here's a tip, the bass version (V4B) is the SAME EXACT amp without reverb. No other dif. If you don't use reverb or have an outboard reverb, they usually go for even less $$$ because no bass players use 'em anymore.

I play bass thru a V-4B and I love it. It sounds killer when turned way up, but I wish I could get a bit more drive at lower volumes. Last time I retubed it w/6L6's as 7027's weren't being made at the time. It sounds real good, but maybe a little too clean. Any advice on retubing for a little more drive? I understand 6550's, EL34's, 7027's, etc. can all fit with minor mods.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 1:47 am
... and I play my V-4B thru an older 15" JBL D140F in a cube shaped Crate cab. Would maybe 2-10's or a 2-12 guitar cab gimme more growl?
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:01 am
but I wish I could get a bit more drive at lower volumes.

That comes from the preamp tubes. 12ax7's generally have the highest amount of gain. You can buy them graded for their distortion characteristics. To get power tube distortion, the amp has to be cranked. The transformers like the 7027s better than the other tubes.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:09 am
One solution is bias the amp so that it sees a higher plate voltage. Best left to an amp tech.
i wish i wouldve known about that cause sovteks are pretty good amps, with the right voltage it was steamin'. you know alot about this stuff it seems.

The bias is really important. My Sovtek was overbiased when I got it, and I MELTED a tube. Under biased and they sound like ass.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:27 am | Edited by: Juan Kerr
The transformers like the 7027s better than the other tubes

Hmmm. This guy says 7027 and 6L6-GC are "the same". I dunno ... this is a pretty interesting article, and down near the end it says 6550 were offered as a "performance upgrade" for V-series amps?

Maybe I should start a V-4 "appreciation thread", and/or go talk to my local amp guru.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:31 am
ampeg svt (sorry robin, 8x10's are the way to go)
v 4
v 4b
hi watt
marshall plexi's

oh wait, they're not 'shitty sounding'. should i be posting somewhere else????
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:42 am
i've been using a 4x10, but it seems to buckle a bit under the svt.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:46 am
and I play my V-4B thru an older 15" JBL D140F in a cube shaped Crate cab. Would maybe 2-10's or a 2-12 guitar cab gimme more growl?

I'd say just run it through a Blues Driver pedal for sweet growl sounds good with everything except straight up metal--the amp itself has hardly any real distortion even when cranked. The cab will matter more for high-low-mid sounds than distortion.

Posted: Sep 13, 2006 3:16 am
i like my vox ac-30. its new and the retards at the guitar store sold me the really niceone for the price of the model below....on sale.

you know how lucky you are, right?
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 3:22 am
Where do I start?

Most important- don't fuck around and start switching out power tubes, 7027 are NOT 6L6 you can fuck up your transformer and take the whole amp out.

There's lots of loose talk about biasing etc. The switch from 7027 to any other power tube should be done by a tech. It's relatively simple but the switch includes a mod that requires adding resistors in to the circuit. Find a good amp guy and, REALLY, don't do it yourself unless you KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. The shit can be lethal even when it's not plugged in. Power caps can retain a charge of 600 volts for a long time (days) after the amp has been turned off.

It's been a while since I worked for sovtek and I've forgotten a lot of what I learned there but even when I had some idea of what was going on I wouldn't attempt doing any work myself.

Now for some funny stuff. One of the reasons that Sovteks are so flakey is that when they started making them the Russians asked Mike what voltage he wanted the transformers to wound for, he said 110 volts. The average current in the USA varies somewhat, but generally it hovers around 117-120v. Taking into account the wildly varying tolerences that the russians were delivering to begin with, amps were getting 10 - 20 volts more than the transformers were even designed to get. And that was just to begin with. Once you got past the transformers the amps were literally put together with whatever was at hand at the time. Resistor and cap values changed constantly. It got to the point where, once we got them here, each and every amp had to be opened up and rebuilt to some extent.

Whenever anybody from the factory in russia would come to visit they would be so uncooperative. I remember this one guy was like "the amps are fine" So I sat him down and blew 5 of them up in a half hour. Boy, he was pissed. Another guy visited a couple of times. I never saw him eat. All he did was drink Bud tall boys and smoke cigs all day long. 9 in the morning he was there with his soldering iron, a tall boy and a marlboro. He was cool.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 4:28 am
Hiwatt DR103
Super Reverb
Harmony h10A
Vox Cambridge Reverb(tube)
Marshall Plexi(Hinson)
Any Tube Silvertone
Peavey TNT
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 4:41 am
better photo:

it's solid state and apparently from Canada.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 4:48 am
I'm surprised the musicman and traynor amps haven't been mentioned much. I'm on the verge of buying a musicman 410 65.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 1:44 pm
All he did was drink Bud tall boys and smoke cigs all day long. 9 in the morning he was there with his soldering iron, a tall boy and a marlboro. He was cool.

i think i just found the kink in the wiring schematic...
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:17 pm
yes, music man four by ten 65. you know what you're doin, my mellow. good luck w/that shit. you're gonna wreck yr back but your guitar is gonna sound great. (ithink judah has one a those). four tens rule!!! (the deville four ten an the mm are all variatiions of the super revrb of course ((as played by the alarm clocks, lyres, television, anybody who cares about not bein gay (except television i just couldn't think o any more bansd who play em. maybe the thirteenth floor elevators???) )) )))
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 2:42 pm
Supers are the shit. Now that's an amp I WISH I had. Long as I'm wishin' lets make it cherry pre cbs. I've got a Musicman 1x12 combo which I like but hardly use. It's loud and clean.

There are so many cool amps. I got tired of playing one at a time. For awhile I was bringing 2 to gigs and splitting my signal between 'em. That sounds great. You swear you'll never play through one amp by itself again. But then we went on tour and we only had room for one, so...

I bought a Carvin for $100 that definitely sounds cool. It's kinda like a boogie, and I've been getting away from the heavy preamp sound so I haven't been using it much. Actually it's exactly like a boogie except it's got EL34 output tubes and I think it sounds better. It's an ugly thing, covered with indoor/ outdoor carpeting. I think that's why it was so cheap.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 3:41 pm
Music Man's are highly underrated. Those things chime nearly like British amps and can twang and reverb like Fenders. I don't see them in pawn shops any more, so I think players finally got wise to them.
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 3:46 pm
Posted: Sep 13, 2006 8:40 pm
Dream amp: early 70's model Orange OD120 overdrive.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 3:48 am
Music Man's are highly underrated.

TOTALLY! sound great and built to last.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 4:11 am
You can pick up a nice 80's Music Man version of a Fender Twin on Ebay for about $350. They have every bit the tone of a Fender Twin. Leo Fender started Music Man after selling Fender . I too am surprised people are not snatching them up more.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 2:15 pm
i never understood people likin twins. every single one i've ever played through had no drive just really loud an shrill. the pro reverb is the one with drive. 60 watts. the heartbreakers played through em. walter still had his original one when i played w/ him a few years ago. twelve inch speakers disperse the sound too much for my likin now. the tens are where it's at for me. plus humbickers (esp really cheap chinese made one) sound good through them.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 3:13 pm
Humbuckers NEED to see 10 inch speakers, in my opinion. And I feel the same way about twins, but that is the sound for some people and in some contexts it works fine, especially with a pedal driven sound.

Tweed fenders are the best rock n roll amps to me, but of course they, and the many modern clones thereof, are quite expensive now.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 3:17 pm
P-90's through a 66 Twin sound pretty bitchin' and not too shrill. But come to think of it, the 62 Bassman has my favorite Fender sound ever. Not the loudest, just the best for my tastes.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 3:36 pm
I've had a twin. Didn't work for me. Too clean. By the time you get it cranked up enough to break up it's too damn loud. But, I've seen other folks sound great through'em. Best was Jack Taylor's but his was hot-rodded.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 4:18 pm | Edited by: andy
I pretty much feel the same way about twins, but there are a couple of things you can do if you get stuck playing one. This'll work if the amp's in halfway decent shape. I know it's gonna sound crazy, but try turning the bass to zero. Then, crank the mid, treble and volume up to ten. After you get past 4 or so on the volume it'll start fattening up. Past 6 it gets even better and between 8-10 is really where it starts to live. Dumping the bass takes out a lot of what makes it "too loud". It's the Steve Jones amp.

That said most of the twins I've played have been real unforgiving. A lot times the speakers have been "upgraded" to higher wattage EV types. And then you can ferget it. A lot of rehearsal studios do that to them, I guess so that people won't blow the speakers. But you really want to have some lower wattage speakers in there for it to sound good.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 5:53 pm
That bass trick does work; I've seen that done before. And a lot of people used to put Greenbacks in them to get the goods at lower volume, but of course you'll wind up blowing the shit out of them most likely. Pro Reverbs and bassmans are much more naturally rocking.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 5:56 pm
i believe the steve jones amp was a pro reverb. i know fer sure it only had one speaker in it and was modified. not a stock twin.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 6:03 pm
You could be right about it being a pro. I've heard it was a twin from a couple of dif places. I also remember seeing a fairly clear pic of it at some point. Didn't know about the one speaker, though, that would explain a lot. I'll look through some stuff I have over the weekend and see if I can find anything.

I was gonna say that about the greenbacks, but I didn't want anybody to get mad at me when they blew 'em up. I love the way greenbacks sound , really make a huge dif.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 6:28 pm
yeah all the guys who had beefy sounds were playin pro's. they look exctly the same. that's why everybody thinks they're twins.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:27 pm
Well, I've read that Steve Jones' amp was a twin and that it was owned by Sylvain Sylvain previously who had sent it to England thinking he was going to go be in Malcolm's new band, but never wound up making it over there. But it could've been a pro as they certainly are visually difficult to distinguish.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:37 pm
the dolls played pros an supers. an ampegs too i think. syl gave his white les paul custom to malcom to take to england. there was an issue of guitar world that had all this info in it. how on earth could steve jone's have gotten that tone out of a twin??? no twin i ever heard sounded like that.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:42 pm
Yeah, you're right about the guitar, I guess I'm confusing those two things. But twins with Jensen speakers (as opposed to EVs or JBLs) cranked up loud do sound in that ballpark - Thunders used one as a Heartbreaker and solo, no? What about Ted Nugent? It's just too friggin loud.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 8:51 pm
dude i said before thunders used a pro. him an walter. modified. i know that as fact. i think the nuge used pro's too. what i keep tryin toget across is what all you guys always thought were twins were pro's. twins sound thin an are too loud to get that sound. even w/ master volume.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:34 pm
peavy rage 1X10

fuck yes
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:35 pm
Twin's sound thin? Thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say that. I don't think twins were made to sound dirty just clean loud and fat. I know your right about Nugent using a pro.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:45 pm
Thin is in the ear of the beholder. Twins have big highs and lows. Marshalls have big mids (gross overgeneralization, but...). Some people find twins to be thin and Marshalls to be fat; others think the complete opposite.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 9:47 pm
julie used a peavey bandit one twelve. she had the dirtiest sound i ever heard. no pedals (except on/ off). an a hondo guitar. when i used crazy jenna's bassman four ten reish w/ my epi 310 the sound guy said after the show he never heard a fender amp sound that dirty what kinda distortion pedal was i usin??? nothin. action swingers naturally sound fucked up.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 10:40 pm
I had a peavey Bandit and that thing sounded like it was one fire. A very cool little amp.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 10:55 pm
yeah cheap as hell too. i agree about marshalls but it's a young man's amp. when all you care about is obliteratiin the world w/ power and distortion. great amps. built like tanks. one of the best one i had was a 100 watt jcm 800 mk 2 w/ el34's (the originals still in it) built in england. it was sittin in sam ash on 48th street for a month for like $600 in the mid 90's an i couldn't take it anymore an bought it. it sounded friggen great. did the enough already rec w/it live. before that i had some kinda tube early 90's one i got from the factory in westbury. before we did decimation blvd i had had enough of amp problems (we opened for the ramones usin like ridiculous amps an i was pissed off) an we (actually chris cush) called richie fleigler an he said come on out. we tried all the stuff they had an bought 2 100 watt heads an two 4 by twelve cabs. i forget what model they were but they were super gnarly. that's why the guitars sounded so good on the rec. plus i used one of james honeyman scott's guitars on it. from nitebob the dolls, kiss an aerosmith's sound man who helped me w/ the rec. when we would tour the uk we used tim cedar from part chimp's marshallhalf stacks which were ratty old 70's english ones. they sounded like ass but i think the tubes were shot. an at toe rag i used the house ac-30. think of all the great recs that was made w/...
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:26 pm | Edited by: Hugh Jass
I bought a Carvin for $100 that definitely sounds cool. It's kinda like a boogie, and I've been getting away from the heavy preamp sound so I haven't been using it much. Actually it's exactly like a boogie except it's got EL34 output tubes and I think it sounds better. It's an ugly thing, covered with indoor/ outdoor carpeting. I think that's why it was so cheap.
I had early 90's Carvin tube amps in both the head-only and 1x12 combo version- with the ugly carpet covering. They both sounded great. However, I think the wiring on those things is suspect. They both had all sorts of intermittent problems that no tech was ever able to completely diagnose and repair.

Another semi-recent "off-brand" amp I've liked is the Crate Vintage Club 50 tube amp. I have the head now and I used to have the 3x10 combo. The tone on that thing is great and it is louder than heck. I've also had some intermittent problems with that one with volume cutting out and then coming back. According to some reviews I read on Harmony Central, it's a common occurrence. I got my head for $150. If you have some patience and a good tech handy it's a great value.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:27 pm
Here's how to make Twin sound better: kick in one of the speakers and throw out half the power tubes. Instant Deluxe.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:32 pm
only twice the weight an size!!!
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:32 pm
Peavey Decade in the saturation input.
Posted: Sep 14, 2006 11:44 pm
Thunders in the Heartbreakers almost always used a Twin, and didn't really use (or own) his own amp most of the time. He would glom off another band or require that a Twin be supplied.
Vintage P-90 guitar, bright switch on, treble on ten, mid on ten, reverb on ten, bass off completely. He got that great distortion because he also had all volume knobs on TEN. Because he was Johnny Thunders, no soundman would ever tell him to turn down y'see.
Nuge used several Twins (later Super Twins) extended to Dual Showman 2x15 cabs. Looked pretty damn cool, too. Remembering interviews in Circus and Creem, his line was that his sound output could kill small boys, and that once a mouse ran out in front of his rig and it simply disentegrated.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 1:34 am | Edited by: andy
http://www.getthatsound.com/song%20pages/Sex%20Pistols-%20God%20Save%2 0the%20Queen%20(117)/sex-pistols-god-save.html

The web is a stoopid place to look for this kind of info, but the part about the Gauss speakers is really ringing a bell. Wish my brain wasn't so fried.

but here's a clincher, an interview with engineer/producer Bill Price:


Price recalls that, in line with the rest of the band's equipment, Cook's drum kit was "pretty crappy and beaten-up. Steve Jones had a Fender Twin that had lost the benefit of its front grille, meaning that you could see the loudspeakers. People would say that made it sound better, but when I asked Steve what had happened to the grille he said 'Oh, I had to get rid of that. The name of the band I nicked it off was written on it.' And that was probably quite true!"
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:13 am
wrong an wrong. as with the eddie c ocran car crash site don't believe every 30 year old recollection or shitty mag i've never heard of before. i lived through this shit. thunders an lure both used pro fuckin reverbs. i seen em w/ my own eyes as well as everybody who used to hang out at mojo guitar shop who knew them. so did the nuge.although he did use fender extension cabs (probably showmans. he definately didn't use twins). i'm tellin ya steve jones used a pro (maybe it was a twin but i doubt it) w/ one speaker. an it still had the grille on it an sex pistols spray painted diagonally across the front. andy i'm fuckin surprised that you didn't know thunders played pro's an get some more credible sources for this steve jones thing. try guitar world. i'll believe them.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:31 am
I never chimed in on JT, cuz honestly I don't know. But next time I bump into nitebob, you can bet I'm gonna ask.

The thing with Bill Price is that he was there. You gotta figure he was asked about that sound from the day he recorded it. I mean what ever you think of the pistols, that's a fuckin great guitar sound by just about anybodys standard. What I'm getting at is that everyday since then somebodys probably said "hey what did Steve Jones use, blahblah......" and it's not like he's gotta remember to far back. It's the same answer everyday for the last 30 years.

I gotta go dj.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:35 am
Chatterbox "sounds" like a twin. I dunno. I've heard a lot of things and everyone I know has too.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:41 am | Edited by: dirk diggler
yeah, ask nitebob. he would know. he'll set you straight. an say hello from me. i love that guy. nitebob rules!!!

(a pro look exactly like a twin (it might be a little wider) an is 65 watts with a master volume. of course it sounds like a twin only beefier.)
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 2:59 am
Jesus Christ Alive, you are gay as a basket of birds if you can't handle a Twin. Go get yourself some white-bread, pent-up repro Victoria for 3 grand and play your local coffee house already.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:01 am
pffftt. you must play jazz or funky stuff or somethin. twins blow!!!
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:55 am
After finding this board and reading some "Dirk Diggler" posts, it's obvious that he considers this his sandbox, but my question is, is he this community's king or fool?

There's nothing worse than a nasty, overly opinionated knucklehead who takes glee in being wrong at the top of his lungs! But no use trying to match wits with a nitwit who in one breath suggests that it's wrong to believe "30-year-old recollections" yet insists on the accuracy of his own!

I'm not going to stick around and find out for myself, but I hope that Dirk is just another example of a type that shows up in every community: the crusty big-mouth with no life and nothing better to do than refute each and every thread and post, who everyone laughs at behind his back.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 4:18 am | Edited by: dirk diggler
if you don't wanna know th truth that's yer business. i bet yer a real prize...

an it ain't my sandbox. it's eric's an zac's. i'm just the obnoxious kid from next door who won't leave.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 4:25 am
twins blow!!!

If you don't know how to play them. If you don't want to be heard and want to hide behind your 6-string bass player. Yes, then they do suck.

Otherwise, grow a set.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:23 am
Well anyhow if you wanna get a good sound out of a twin dump the bass and crank the rest. This M.O. works for most pre 80's Fenders, after that you're on your own. If it's too loud use your guitar volume. If it's too bright wait a couple of years til all of your high frequency hearing is shot.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:50 am
Pro's and Twins do look the same, so I'm not 100% on this. However, since a Pro is only 50 watts (Jones plays with the Pistols using ONE 50 watt amp? k...well maybe that explains a few things...), I would like to think The Twin theory is right.

And I know Nug would hot wire twins together because he's ranted about his set up in numerous interviews which I'm sure you can google.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:53 am
Take anything the Nuge says in an interview with a sprinkle of salt.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 8:01 am
Agree, but ummm...him talking about amps isn't like him talking about why you should live in the woods and shoot deer. I think he KNOWS what kinda amp he plays. He ain't senile.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 8:07 am
Here's a funny one sort of indirectly having to do with the Nuge. In the early 90's when Damn Yankees were together they were recording in some big name studio( I think here in NY but I really can't remember). Anyhow the Hardcore/Metal crossover thing was kinda big at the time and those kind of bands were getting decent budgets to do records. A friend of mine knew these guys who were recording in an adjoining studio. One day they went in and asked the Damn Yankees if they could borrow a guitar to do an overdub, and the D.Y. were kind enough to lend them one of Tommy Shaw's guitars. So they bring it over to their side of the studio and take a bunch of Polaroids of one of them wiping his ass with the guitar neck, put the pictures in the strings, put the guitar back in the case, bring it back and say, "Thanks a lot!"
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 3:56 pm | Edited by: dirk diggler
the pro is 65 watts not 50. have you ever heard a deville??? it's 65 watts too. it will break your windows. an brad those videos were shot from a hundred feet away an they're probably tenth generation. there is no way on earth that you can see the tiny script on the amp that says pro reverb or twin reverb. please post if i'm wrong an you can. like i've said ten times by now i saw these amps w/ my own eyes. andy you can email brett an ask him. he was at a lotta the same shows i was an know thunders played pros too. plus i think he was friends w/ him or actually played w/ him. the thing is i'm arguin w/ a buncha twenny year olds (except andy he's older than dirt like me)who didn't actually live through this who have always been under the impression that any amp that looks like that is a twin. believe what you want. i'm just tryin to set history straight.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 6:24 pm
Only Master Volume, post '70 or so Pro Reverbs are 65 watts. The blackface and first generation silverface ones are 45 - 50 watts at best.
Let's get Nitebob to join the forum so he can piddle away his guitar arbitrage time talking to disaffected shitheads about useless ephemera. Now that would rock.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:02 pm
Here's what I know:

Steve Jones played a twin he stole from Bob Marley.

The white les paul that was Syls ended up with Malcolm. He gave it Jones. Jones later sold it. Then he "made" several others and sold them to unsuspecting guitar collectors. This practice continued through the early 90s. A friend unwittlingly helped broker one of these scam deals.

The Nuge used Twins with Dual Showman cabs. I saw it for my self when I was 12 at a show at Eastern Illinois University. He now uses Peavey 5150s.

Twins are good for country because of the clean headroom. That's why the country cats put EV or JBL speakers are in them. that way there is zero cone break up.

Supers are cool. The tone comes from a lot of things, the impedance of the four tens, the preamp circuit, the design of the back of the cabinet.
The only amp I like that uses 10"s. The only thing better is Super Six, SIX 10"s! I once had a fender Quad. That's a twin with four twelves. Even louder, brighter and more obnoxious than a twin. I showed up for a show at Emos once with my Sovtek Mig 60 a four 12" cab AND the Quad. The soundperson refused to mic me (it was the big outside stage capacity about 1200). I achieved Nugent volume without the aid of the PA system.

Fender Devilles suck. The distortion on those things sounds like ass. You know who uses those amps? the Strokes. Take any Deville series and line it up against a real amp, say a blackface Fender ( any blackface, super, bassman, deluxe, etc.). Not reisssue balckfaces, but real ones. The real amp will eat the deville for lunch. They lack dynamics, tone and will self destruct in about two years of semi-constant use. My 66 bassman head will sound good for at least another 40 years. You can buy a quality handwired, point to point amp like a blackface bassman for about the same price as a Deville.

Pro jrs are an exception to the new fender=bad rule. They were designed by Bruce Zinky, the same guy who makes the cigarette pack amps.
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 7:20 pm
There's nothing worse than a nasty, overly opinionated knucklehead who takes glee in being wrong at the top of his lungs! But no use trying to match wits with a nitwit who in one breath suggests that it's wrong to believe "30-year-old recollections" yet insists on the accuracy of his own!

I can think of a few worse things... Cancer, Famine, TIVO not taping the shows I want it to. Dirk is my friend now and forever, even if he insists on insulting my mother, my husband, people I like a lot, the way I look, the music I buy, the bands I'm in that he's never heard, the fact that I'm old as fuck, and the fact that my "genetics kick in" and I give blow jobs to rock star crotch.

All these considered Dirk makes my day at work go by much faster...
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 10:48 pm
I thougt this was supposed to be about amplification, and the preferences of the different variations available, not some soap opra! You're all a bunch of melodramatic queens with a chip on your shoulders! I bet you faggot posers can't even play "smoke on the water"! By the way my favorite amp belongs to Steev-o(hand made ,sounds loud and agressive). I used to have a "miricle "amp that Jeff Green now owns. It's hand made, I sunk a Celestion down in there. It's louder than The Jerry Springer Show!
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 10:54 pm
san dimas football rules!
Posted: Sep 15, 2006 10:58 pm
the pro is 65 watts not 50. have you ever heard a deville??? it's 65 watts too. it will break your windows

Once again, Dirk proves that even at 50, he don't know shit about rocknroll. I used a DeVille in a band for 3 months, you can barely hear it over the drums. If you think it will "break your windows" you must be suffering from the beginning stages of dementia.

Twins. Period. Or get a stack.
Posted: Sep 16, 2006 12:01 am
i was in a band for 3 years with a guy who played a deville and it was pretty loud. he was lound and clear over my drums, another guitar and bass and we had a really, really big practice space for the majority of that three years. that said, i don't know much about the devilles in detail.
Posted: Sep 17, 2006 5:50 pm
Steve Jones interview :
Q: People often talk about the Pistols classic guitar sound. How did you achieve that?

A: A lot of it had to do with the amp I had at the time. It was a twin reverb. It was an old one. For some reason, don't ask me why, I put these Gauss speakers in them. It gave it a real different sound, it was more midi as opposed to trebbly, and I just turned it up to 10 and got the sound. That was pretty much it. Obviously you track it a few times, like when I did Never Mind The Bollocks.

Posted: Sep 17, 2006 6:03 pm
steve jones is a liar. i thought you weren't gonna stick around to see how it turned out???

i wonder what robin's favorite amp is to move an set up for other people???
Posted: Sep 17, 2006 10:05 pm | Edited by: red eyed willie
I love the tone of 50s amps, Magnetones, early Gibsons and others I've played. I used to be all about The Ampeg SVTs for their power, but nothing but nothing is closer to my needs than my very own long time friend, my all tube 1978 Fender 75. 75 watts with only two power tubes so the overdrive is a motherfucker the like of which I've never heard. It also has more tone options than any amp I know of produced before modern imitation processors. It has only one 15" speaker though, so I piggyback it with two 12" Celestions for a fuller sound and more volume.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 12:40 am
So I was hangin' out today with my pal Brett, and I mentioned all of this to him an he was nice to send me this email which he gave me permission to post. Brett's a sweetheart, he's played in tons of great bands with just about everybody in town here, including Ned. And now we have a have a band that we've been putting together called the Underthings. (Might as well give it a plug, our 1st show is at the cake shop oct 6th.) Take it away Brett....

As far as I know, Johnny Thunders used a Fender Twin Reverb - I saw it
myself, and plenty of times I carried it myself too. The time I'm
talking about was after the Heartbreakers "breakup," starting in mid-1979. Johnny was good friends with a guitarist/singer named Justin Trouble who led the first band I played out with in NYC clubs; Thunders co-wrote and produced a single for the band, and at times had us open Heartbreakers shows at places like Irving Plaza, the Rock Lounge, and My Father's Place on LI. He always used Justin's amp at these shows (a late '70s silver-face Twin with a master volume) and he did not have his own amp to my knowledge. Naturally he's used different amps at different times, and I don't claim to have been at every Heartbreakers show - but I will say that Justin owned a Twin was because it was the amp that Johnny preferred!

Anyway, a Twin was all I ever saw him use at the time (I have seen him
use others since) - with everything up full except for the bass. Thunders
was ALWAYS concerned about being the loudest thing in the room without
leaving it up to the soundman, and the Twin is a sure way to achieve that every time. It can out-loud a 100-watt Marshall, as those tend to be very
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 12:56 am | Edited by: dirk diggler
bwahahahaha. brett is the fuckin one who told me all these years that it was a pro reverb!!! wtff??? but if he now says it was a twin i guess i'll believe that. alls i can tell you was that when i played w/walter he had a pro reverb an said it was his original. whatever. oka y you guys win.every dude in the seventies played a twin. an i really never went to any shows back then. i'm gonna surf the web an learn more about the seventies tenth hand. (i take it andy didn't start goin to shows until the twenny first century as i've never heard any first hand accounts from him even though he's a year younger than me.)
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 1:01 am
That's true about the twin. If you have the 85 or 100 watt models they outdo a Marshall 100 watt for sure. Marshall amps are the most overrated of any amps. No tone options but quiet and loud.
I was once going to trade my Fender 75 for a Super-Twin Reverb, which is a great amp, but I found that my 75 had all the good qualities of the twin but more variations in sound. Also, the guy at the guitar store was salivating when I told him I might trade, which made me believe there was reason not to give up my amp.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 4:39 am
I thought we were the same age, Ned. I was born 10/20/62. I started my 1st band in 1977, the Hurricanes. It was two guitars and a drummer. No bass. Nobody wanted to sing either. But we were a band, we had regular practice and "songs". We used to do House Of The Risin Sun, too. We stopped when the other guitar player got too good. He traded in his strat and got a big fat gibson hollowbody and wanted to play jazz. Well, that was the end of that. Nobody knew what the fuck was goin' on anyway. It's funny 'cuz Brett and I were yappin' about this stuff today.

Anyhow the 70's sucked for me. My parents might have taken me to see Johnny Cash And Carl Perkins, but the 1st concert I went to with my friends was Marshall Tucker Band opening for the Charlie Daniels Band. That pretty much sums it up. Punk rock did not exist in New Rochelle. Nobody except for the (really) gay kids knew about going to cb's and Max's. Nobody I knew or hung out with liked anything but southern rock or hippie Neil Young type shit. Nobody liked metal either. Except for Kiss. There were no punk rockers and if there were they would have gotten their sissy fuckin' asses kicked all day long. That's just the way it was. We read about punk in Cream and Circus and it was off limits. For Homos only. Of course when I finally heard the ramones and the pistols I thought they were great but I kept my mouth shut. I had to. Nobody liked the 50's rock 'n roll I dug either.

Most of my energy was centered on getting high. Weed was $35 an ounce and I could smoke as much as I could get as fast as I could get it. If there wasn't any weed, I would hit the solvents. The whole idea was to stay fucked up as much as possible. I know I have brain damage from all that shit. I can hardly remember a thing.

Nor do I want to. It was a shitty time. Once I got out I never went back except for a visit now and then. So, no I have no great memories of the 70's punk scene. It was right down the block, but it might as well been on Mars. I tried my best to get bands together, but for the most part it was hopeless. People didn't get it back then. It's a lot easier now.

So I tried doing the home recording thing and I never really liked that too much. I like playing with other people in real time fairly loud.

When I was in college in philly, I had a fairly regular thing happening with a rotating cast of crazy characters, and the music ranged from weirdo almost surf type of shit to pure noise. A couple of guys I knew tried to get me involved in a powerpop thing but it didn't stick. It was too bad 'cuz they were great guys and talented. That lasted til '85.

Eventually I made my way down here, Dave and I started the Sea Monkeys in '86. We had been writing tunes together as early as '80 at least. We didn't know a Goddamn thing about getting a gig or anything. That lasted til the end 2001. The last five years or so we were a great live band, A lot of fun. I was never happy with any of the recordings, but live we were really good. We played this past summer for the 1st time in 5 years. It was exactly the same as it always was. We play too loud for my taste, though.

While the Sea Monkeys were together I had a couple of other things that I did. I played guitar in a band called the Haney Brothers. My friend Ed Strelecky wrote a lot great songs for that band, he was a super talented guy who taught me a lot. Great guitar player. Actually he was a five tool player, if I ever knew one.

I started the Little Killers and the Spittoons in 2000. The Spittoons came about when my girlfriend, Kris decided to start playing drums. I was working on Rivington Street at a guitar shop that had rehearsal rooms in the back. Kris started to come in and bang on the drums. I started to come in and play guitar and sing oldies like Be My Baby. We tricked our friend Sam into coming by to play bass one night. And we continued right up until the end last year. We only did covers and it was always a lot of fun. Sam wanted to play guitar so we got Brett to come in and play bass. Everybody writes and sings so it's a different band all together from the Spittoons. And that's the Underthings.

The Little Killers is the band that most people know. We got together and played oldies for about a year and then started doing our own stuff. I really love playing in the Little Killers. I wish we could do it more than we've been able to recently, but hey that's life.

So there you have it my whole fuckin' life in a nutshell. Let'r rip. If I cared what anybody thought I never would have gotten anything done.

I like coming here and yappin' about music, even though every topic eventually turns into monkeyshit toss.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 4:56 am
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 10:22 am
Twins. Not the Olsen Twins. Well...as you wish, Sirs.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 1:26 pm
i ain't letin rip i jus never heard you talk about the seventies before. but we had punk rock in the next town over (as you will soon hear on the first release o my new label) an we all got on the train or borrowed a car to see everything. i used to get the best mexican or colombian gold pot in the world for five bucks a baggie. usedta trade bass lessons for bags to a dealer friend too. an found a bag o 24 quaaludes on my 18th birthday outside of the teen center. an we used to snort somethin that was supposed to be crystal meth evry weekend at parties but sometimes it made me black out. oh yeah an the amp i had back then was a big clunky univox w/ a fifteen inch speaker an no wattage or drive whatsoever. talk about soundin like ass...most kids in my town played peavey classics back then.
they used to have new wave night at the bar in the macys mall in new rochelle. you paid five bucks an got all you could drink for like two hours so we would drive over get as many heinkens as we could hold an listen to their lame new wave music. one time we took legs mcneils an he drank like twenny beers. then when we were leavin he saw some chicks up in the parkin garage an started to climb the outside of the garage to get to them. he got like two floors up!!! then we hung out in my friend's backyard an he told us about the book he was writin called the invisible boy. he was hilarious. new rochelle rules (i bought 69 live therewhen i was 4teen) !!!an oh yeah we are the same age. wow.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:03 pm
We read about punk in Cream and Circus and it was off limits

Born in '64. Small town Illinois. I was all about Aerosmith, Kiss and Nugent. Cream, Hit Parader and Circus were my lifelines to punk rock, but it was always too exotic for central Illinois. When the Ramones came to Champaign Ill, there was a half hour TV news special about "Punk". By high school, I had some Ramones records. I had to escape to college to really experience punk rock first hand. There was one local punk band by 1981, UXB (not the SF UXB) which consisted of the future members of the Didjits and the singer of the Lee Harvey Oswald band. They just confused the fuck out of the locals. We could get the college radio station (remember college radio?) and Jon Gianeli (sp?) did a kick ass show where I heard the Buzzcocks for the first time. He had a 60's garage/powerpop band and eventually came out and formed Pansy Division.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:13 pm
which consisted of the future members of the Didjits and the singer of the Lee Harvey Oswald band.

Ok, WHO THE FUCK is the lead singer for Lee Harvey Oswald? I gotta know. Maybe I'm just not geek enough but please tell me because that line up (besides Simms) has always been a mystery to me.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:18 pm
and no I don't mean "Zowie Fenderblast" i mean who is the guy, for real?
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:26 pm
shut it, fag. double postin is gay.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:32 pm
HIs name is Savic. In UXB, he was known as Panzer and he was an art student at the community college. Later, he moved down to CArbondale where we both went to school. I think he's in Athens GA now. Sims on Bass, and my friend Dave on drums. Dave was at one time the didjits drummer .
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:34 pm
Heres my baby ...(well one just like it..)

Cool! Concerts are an awesome, unsung amp for sure.
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 2:47 pm
creem was like a year behind on punk. even though it had occasional nme reports from nick kent like the first sex pistols gig. that was where the we're not into music we're into chaos line came from. does anybody remember the aryan starr rangers??? creem was my bible growin up. i had hundreds of issues stacked up in my room. also rock scene which was the coolest only mostly pics. an trouser press (big ups to my man ira robbins). i bought the first half jap ep mailorder from an ad in tp. they wrote about a lotts english rock an pop an the whole big star axis (chris stamey an alex nyc gigs. went an checked out stamey at max's. (he was okay until assholsaple joined. that single he did w/richard lloyd kicked ass. if an when an i thought you wanted to know on ork i think. saw terry ork before he died. he came an saw the swingers at cbgb's. hilly brought me over an said terry you remmeber ned from the old days an terry was like yeah, yeah man how ya doin??? he was really cool. an came up after the set an told me how much he dug it. put out the first television an richard hell singles as well as teenage jesus an the jerks an the student teachers an tons o cool stuff. punk might not've happened w/out terry.) rock mags usedta rule!!!
Posted: Sep 18, 2006 3:14 pm
my old man gave me his old fender reverb which sounds great. It doesnt have the reverb any more but the gain is awesome. If you leave it on too long it gets a little flabby though...
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