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Posted: Mar 29, 2006 3:03 pm
 
It all depends if you thought they were "once great" or a turd from the very beginning.

It always seems to come down to McCartney, Phil Collins (for Genesis), Sting, and Rod Stewart. I'd say Rod takes the prize.

The descent from that FACES album with "Stay with Me" to his recent geriatric output is a crime indeed.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 3:04 pm
 
Elvis Costello
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 3:08 pm
 
I think Eric Clapton might do well on this one. 'Disraeli Gears' has some mighty riffs.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 3:14 pm
 
Bob Seger
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 4:59 pm
 
rod stewart was great in the jeff beck group too, esp. truth
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 5:06 pm
 
I gotta speak up for Rod. The man is still a cool guy for an old goat. What the hell would you do if you had like 4 ex high-maintenance, useless no-job-having, blonde wives and a yard full of kids who basically share these same traits? He has to support all these morons. Singing sappy standards and romancing the women who were teenagers when he was at his foxiest is a smart way to go.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 5:19 pm
 
Singing sappy standards

Oh man, I saw the infomercial for that release. Ugh.

I'm pretty he's sucked a lot longer than just recently though.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 5:31 pm
 
Yeah, the man has been sucking since the mid-late 70's...but I dunno, he is likable. What can I say?
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 5:35 pm
 
Robert Fripp.
I really wanted to go when he came to the Hi-Tone, but I was afraid I'd pay $25.00 to see him play the E-string open with effects for an hour.

Also, Eno. I understand his concept of "vertical listening" and all, but some of his stuff gets a little New Age-y.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:07 pm
 
with comments like that jack you don't need me to help you feel gay. you're doing just fine yourself. just because you're afraid don't take it out on fripp. he rules.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:09 pm
 
Oh, no. Huge Fripp fan, here. But have you heard "Soundscapes 1999"? It started a riot in Brazil.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:11 pm
 
and that's a bad thing??? gimmie a fucking break!!!
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:12 pm
 
It's that E-string through 800 effects for an hour. If that's a performance, you should have heard me on acid, back in the day.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:13 pm
 
Also, how partial are you to the Thrak stuff compared to USA?
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:16 pm
 
I gotta speak up for Rod. The man is still a cool guy for an old goat. What the hell would you do if you had like 4 ex high-maintenance, useless no-job-having, blonde wives and a yard full of kids who basically share these same traits? He has to support all these morons. Singing sappy standards and romancing the women who were teenagers when he was at his foxiest is a smart way to go.

David Lee Roth would kill for a gig like this, but all he can seem to land these days is the 'ol radio show.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:17 pm
 
I gotta speak up for Rod.


me too. he also overcame throat cancer.

he puts on a great show - i saw him a couple years ago - even though his set list is heavy on schmaltz, he still encores w/ stay with me and kicks those soccer balls out into the audience.

and i do LOVE his cool stance on 'street fighting man' from his eponymous solo album

i agree that once he started w/ britt ekland and the long line of younger and younger gold digger models and his 200 children, he dug himself a grave (hahaha - since he was once a grave digger) to have to make tons o cash by playing it safe for the masses of old ladies who love the standards.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:21 pm | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
Unfortunately for Dave, the demographic of sluts he was initially popular with (which includes myself) has not reached the age where they can recognize they need to just give up the delusion that they can ignore the approaching advent of middle age and that they can just succumb to the lightness that is David Lee Roth. I gave in in Tunica one night...and the man can still entertain, men and women alike.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 6:54 pm
 
I'd say Rod takes the prize.

''rarely has anyone betrayed his talent so completely.''
Geil Marcus on Rod Stewart
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:01 pm
 
come on people, stop taking pot shots at easily targeted douche bags, i want to see some pride swallowing and admit to some failed hero worship.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:01 pm
 
Aren't Anne and Nancy Wilson fixtures of the Vegas circuit now?
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:08 pm
 
How about REM after Berry left?
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:11 pm
 
Paul Westerberg.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:30 pm
 
good start. i'll have to go with: mike watt. getting a bit much into the beatnik free form wordsmithing...pedro style.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 7:41 pm
 
Rick Rubin
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 8:17 pm
 
mike watt

I saw him a year or two ago. PAINFUL! Dreadlocked guy with a Marley shirt or something on keys. I think I made it through about 4 songs. And Mike did a "YEEE-OH" after every line he sang.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 9:54 pm
 
Metallica
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 10:07 pm | Edited by: ottawarockerdude
 
paul weller

the jam were good, style council horrible..god knows what crap he's doing these days
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 10:15 pm
 
Good call on Metallica. When I ws a suburban, stoner, metal head I listened to Kill'em All and Ride the Lightning endlessly. I watched the Some Kind of Monsters movie out of pure curiousity. Total shit.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 11:21 pm
 
Jack White is going pretty strong. Hear the progress between Let's Shake Hands and My Doorbell. By the time he has reached Rod's age he'll be the queen of easy listening.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 11:49 pm
 
I was gonna say Paul Weller, but something always said that guy would end up "easy listening". Still a fox, though. Maybe he is the Rod Stewart for my generation.
Posted: Mar 29, 2006 11:55 pm
 
hugh cornwell
he was playing ottawa a while ago, so i checked out some of his recent solo stuff to see if he was worth checking out.....VERY LAME. it wasn't easy to listen to. actually the stranglers became pretty wimpy and shitty too after a few albums
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 12:16 am | Edited by: jenna
 
I gave in in Tunica one night

FIERY!! am I reading this right? did you sleep with diamond dave??? and you're admitting this publically? i'm impressed! this is my wednesday night thrill.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 12:29 am
 
Urge Overkill. Around 89-90 they were one of the best live bands going (any of the younger folks out there will have to trust me on this) playing with Unsane and the like. I still give Jesus Urge Superstar and Americruiser a listen every once in a while. But they started to believe their shit didn't stink, and we all know how they ended up.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 12:35 am
 
yeah like they started-insufferable and unlistenable.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 12:59 am
 
Urge Overkill. Around 89-90 they were one of the best live bands going

they were good....fucking over Touch and Go really burned their bridges with a lot of people....even Saturation is pretty good, at least the 1st half....
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 1:07 am
 
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 1:19 am
 
were the last few TEENAGE FANCLUB albums as lite as "Grand Prix" was? I remember being very disappointed after "Catholic" and "Bandwagonesque" with their lighter direction...can't remember.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 3:13 am | Edited by: fierydrunk
 
FIERY!! am I reading this right? did you sleep with diamond dave???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I gave in to letting Dave entertain! ON STAGE! As a performer. Wow. That coffee jolt didn't help clarify my point as well as I thought. I would have slept with Diamond Dave when I was 14 but not now. I'd totally hang out with him though and the Tunica show (Dave leading a bunch of way young, Van Halen hacks who had learned every VH song in their bedrooms alone when Nirvana was rocking everyone else's socks off) was so damn hot.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 7:46 am
 
this evening i was helping a friend pack up for a move 1/2 way around the world. they are total 70s fanatics in that household.

they were playing "tumbleweed connection" when i came in.

now elton john is someone who made 2-3 decent records and turned to pure shit. bernie taupin always wrote retarded lyrics but when elton was pretending he was ray charles, they worked someone.

"tumbleweed connection" - what a GREAT record. oh yeah, and rod stewart covered "country comforts" contemporaneously to elton's release. his version is also fine
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 8:03 am
 
they worked someone.

that was supposed to be "somehow"

multi-tasking...something always gets mispelled....
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 4:28 pm
 
I agree with the Elton assessment. "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" came on at a bar recently and it still slays. I mean, a song with the lyric "SUGAR BEAR" can slay you--that is pretty great.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 4:47 pm
 
Whoah, I never knew that Country Comforts was an Elton John song!
When I first got Gasoline Alley, I'd play the hell outta that song. Those first Rod Stewart albums rule, but I agree that he'd be at the top of that category.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 4:59 pm
 
the pretty things
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:16 pm
 
I think Rod Stewart should have a Get Out of Jail Free card in this debate, for the ex-wives and litter of children reason as well as he is still such a cool fucker. He has often said he gets what is going on. He is in on his own joke...I can't say as much about Bono, Elton, Paul McCartney et al.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:19 pm
 
"tumbleweed connection" - what a GREAT record.
I love early Elton John, all the way up through 'Don't Shoot Me...'
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:23 pm
 
ever seen the Rod Stewart impersonator around midtown Memphis?
absolute spitting image.
roughly 5 foot 6". I think he performs at the casinos'
his name? Rob Stewart.
no shit.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:23 pm
 
Cool or not still, that's exactly what he did-descended into easy-listening, so he's gotta be on the list. How many kids does he have by the way? Like more than five? I have no idea. Wasn't it one of his daughters who was supposed to replace Nicole Ritchie on the simple life (or actually did? I don't know)?
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:24 pm
 
oh. i'm asking about rod.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:33 pm
 
You are right--it is just hard for me to give him such a hard time since that infamous Griel Marcus quote (above) about Rod. I hate Griel. I love Rod.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:34 pm
 
And yeah, his dimwit daughter, Kimberly, was going to replace Nicole, but I think producers quickly realized she had nary the humor and zest that Nicole at least used to have. I am not certain if she can muster the energy to be an idiot now that she is anorexic.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 5:35 pm
 
Jacksonville had a Billy Idol impersonator with his own cable access show--he called himself "Willie Idol".
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 6:02 pm
 
I am not certain if she can muster the energy to be an idiot now that she is anorexic.

that's funny. yeah, she's pretty gross.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 6:21 pm
 
ever seen the Rod Stewart impersonator around midtown Memphis?
absolute spitting image.
roughly 5 foot 6". I think he performs at the casinos'
his name? Rob Stewart.
no shit.


Portland is full of Rod Stewart impersonators. Only they don't sing his songs. Just go to Sabala's most nights of the week. They'll be there.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 8:18 pm
 
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 8:20 pm
 
There are also lots of Jeff Beck's lately in Portland.
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 8:31 pm
 
paul weller, well i'm no fan of the style council, but he is just doing an acoustic thing now. it could be worse, plus, he still has some gems left in him

"I'd rather eat my own shit than duet with James Blunt."
Posted: Mar 30, 2006 8:43 pm
 
there was a rod stewart impersonator/fan who used to go to all ian mclagan's solo gigs in LA during the 80s before i left LA. i bet he's still around, but thankfully i have not seen him
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 1:43 am
 
Westerberg sucking? Not on your life! The last 3 albums are GOLD.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 1:46 am
 
someone told me the replacements are reforming
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:29 am
 
That would be wierd. They are too old now.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:33 am
 
I haven't even heard Paul Westerburg do anything since 1990, so you right, that was unfair. Something tells me it would bore me, but perhaps not.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:41 am
 
Even if you think Westerberg has mellowed, he's certainly NOT easy listening.

I think his turns of phrase are still golden.

there is a Replacements comp coming out. i doubt they'll do any gigs - or if they have to - a couple. i think they all hate touring except for tommy stinson... who i think puts in some really embarrassing turns...
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:45 am
 
I like that Mono/Stereo album Paul westerberg did. i saw him on the tour he did for the album, and he put on a good show.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:50 am
 
Westerberg & co.

Yeah The Replacements never matched the genius of "Stink" from all that I have heard by them. The other night I converted the "Pleased to Meet Me" L.P. into MP3's for my girlfriend. Not one song set my toe a-tappin'. BONUS LAMEASSEDNESS- A few years back, Westerberg panned the "Stink" E.P. in the City Pages. I would like to hear their "Shit Hits the Fans" cassette again. That's been prit near 20 years since the last time I heard it. From what I remember it just had a bunch of Led Zeppelin convers on it. I had a compilation C.D. with them butchering "Ace of Spades" ~82. Poorly executed, the way you like it.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 2:58 am
 
Even if you think Westerberg has mellowed, he's certainly NOT easy listening.

I thought "All Shook Down" was easy listening.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 3:05 am
 
I have my iTunes on shuffle as I type this and it just occured to me. You know who started off as easy listening, but wound up being a respected musician was G.G. Allin. Anybody who has had the misfortune of hearing the MALPRACTICE (w/gg on drums '77) 7" can atest. It's...well...uh... you would never in a 1,000,000 years guess that gg had a role in it if you heard his masterpiece "Freaks, Faggots, Drunks & Junkies" first.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 3:33 am
 
i always thought of paul westerberg as the guy who SHOULD have been in the Faces and could handily write songs for rod stewart...
how fullcircle is that?
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 3:37 am | Edited by: ottawarockerdude
 
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 4:49 am
 
Didn't Lou Reed crank out generic motown or r&b stuff for budget compilations back in the pre-VELVET days? I remember reading that somewhere...
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 11:13 am
 
While we're on the topic of bloated, used-to-be-great artists, lemme throw Steve Earle into the mix. Librarian asshole.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:05 pm
 
Didn't Lou Reed crank out generic motown or r&b stuff for budget compilations back in the pre-VELVET days? I remember reading that somewhere...
Yeah. Lou Reed worked for Pickwick putting out crap, but that's also where he picked up some of both his chops and his connections used in the Velvets later.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:07 pm
 
I'm in the "Rod Stewart" camp for all-time worst decline, but everyone mentioned here are good candidates.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:12 pm
 
the pickwick stuff was not crap. it was the best stuff lou reed ever did. check out the "do the ostrich" single available through norton. also check out "you're driving me insane" available on some arf arf compilation. some of the best garage punk of the mid 60's.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:15 pm
 
I only meant "crap" in the sense that it was an industry devoted largely to knock-offs and making the bottom line at cheap cost. Of course there are some Pickwick gems. I've got some too.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:23 pm
 
Don't You Know Who I Think I Was?

That really is a great Paul Westerberg phrase--great LP title for a Replacements collection. Ok, I love him again.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:26 pm
 
I have a Pickwick comp called Soundsville with a band (The Beachnuts) that is obviously Lou Reed singing and playing guitar on a song called "Cycle Annie". Pretty cute.
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:32 pm
 
I'm in the "Rod Stewart" camp for all-time worst decline, but everyone mentioned here are good candidates.
jeff beck took the same shit-slide. into oblivion for jeff though, not mega stardom
Posted: Apr 1, 2006 7:50 pm
 
Librarian asshole.


i know you probably meant "libertarian" but "Librarian" is very funny

i disagree with you but you're still making me laff
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 1:08 pm
 
No, I really meant Librarian, what with the beard, the glasses, the tweed sportcoat with elbow patches over the Beatles T-shirt... For me he went waaayyy downhill, anything post- "the Mountain". Listening to Transcendental Blues was like going to a lecture...
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 5:41 pm
 
GG ALLIN- he went soft there towards the end
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 6:40 pm
 
Listening to Transcendental Blues was like going to a lecture...

really? I liked that he experimented w/ production on that (for him, at any rate)

and that librarian look works for me. i like it better than his younger "guitar town" look, way better than his ex-con big fat biker look. the beard covers up a sagging jawline - lots of dudes might sport one when they're 50!

his 2 post "Transcendental Blues" records get a little too political, even for steve earle, for me. "jerusalem" and this last one have an unbalanced ratio of axe-grinding to music making... but i wouldn't call it easy listening. or going soft... i'd call it self indulgence.

sorry - i'm a pedant AND i tend to cut him a lot of slack cuz i just like him.
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 6:57 pm
 
I really love a lot of what Steve Earle has done, some of my all time faves are Train a Comin', Guitar Town, I Feel Allright, et al. I think Transcendental had a song called "The Boy Who Couldn't Cry" or something, and I just felt it was too obvious, and half-baked. I saw him do a solo acoustic thing, and he just came off as more than a little pompous. So, you're right- he didn't go easy listening, but he just got too self important... Politics seem like a cheap muse for songwriting...
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 6:59 pm
 
well, you know, he IS trying to save the world from george w. bush!
Posted: Apr 2, 2006 7:12 pm
 
harumph!
Posted: Apr 14, 2006 6:31 pm
 
Fogerty. He's still awesome though.
Posted: Apr 14, 2006 6:46 pm
 
BB KIng
Posted: Apr 14, 2006 6:58 pm
 
Stereolab had some great guitar based Velvet Underground-Sister Ray type songs on their first few albums and they put on a great live show around then. Last I heard from them, a few years back, sounded like horrible elevator music for hipsters.
Posted: Apr 14, 2006 11:17 pm
 
"The descent from that FACES album with "Stay with Me""

I think all the Faces LPs are great - as well as the first 3-4 Rod Stewart solo LPs....REALLY good.....that Mercury collection of his solo stuff is worth picking up....seriously...

after that.... >meh<

Lisa actually gives him cred up to "Young Turks".....
Posted: Apr 15, 2006 12:56 am
 
Me.
Posted: Apr 15, 2006 1:18 am | Edited by: dirk diggler
 
i bet lisa's mom digs rod.
Posted: Apr 15, 2006 1:36 am
 
"i bet lisa's mom digs rod."

she does - don't think she dated him though.....
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 4:29 am
 
Can't believe no one has mentioned Aerosmith yet.
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 4:54 pm
 
John Tesh has really started to suck shit lately.
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 10:16 pm
 
jeff beck took the same shit-slide. into oblivion for jeff though, not mega stardom

Man, I saw him a couple of years back and it was god awful. It was me and an auditorium full of "lone superfan" guys. I swear I was the only girl there.

The first few Rod Stewart "solos" were the Faces minus the credit really. That's why they were good. "Rod the Mod" was always kinda douchey. He was only ever good because of his band. Steve Marriott was better.
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 11:16 pm
 
How about Chicago? The first album, "Chicago Transit Authority" was hot shit.

The Who's "It's Hard" is 80s karate movie fare, except "Eminence Front."
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 11:19 pm
 
"Eminence Front."
Geeky stuff, but I love the tone and sound of Entwhistle's bass on that song.
Posted: Apr 16, 2006 11:37 pm
 
i saw the who at madison garden a few years ago and it was the lamest thing i've ever seen. i spent practically the whole time watching the mets on the tv monitor at the concession stand. as we were leaving this young dude comes up to me and says "dude wasn't that awesome???" i was like "i don't know. it kinda sucked." he was like "well they didn't play eminence front but it was still good anyway..."
Posted: Apr 17, 2006 7:45 pm
 
"don't let go the coat" is killer!
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 2:24 am | Edited by: m t millionaire
 
Me.

Ed - Please, PLEASE tell me you're kidding.
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 2:53 am
 
Does anyone remember "The Stalker"? It was a zine by these two women who made it their life's mission, so they said, to destroy Urge Overkill's career, although you could argue the band didn't need anyone's help to do that. I think one of them was rude to her once or something. They moved from Chicago to Austin in the mid 90s and rented a house from my ex. Consequently, I now have a complete collection. It was quite a vendetta - there's at least six issues.
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 3:03 am
 
The Flaming Lips. Too bad they didn't all O.D. years ago.
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 3:05 am
 


Does anyone remember "The Stalker"?

Weren't one of those chicks black? In one 'zine didn't they manage to get backstage?
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 4:09 am
 
Yes, I had forgotten that detail...
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 5:04 am
 
Does anyone remember "The Stalker"?

I definitely remember "The Stalker"....it was some of the funniest shit around for a while....I believe one of the girls was briefly involved with one of the Urge guys....
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 2:02 pm
 
he'll show everyone at the blackout mr millionaire

I know he'll tear it up. I'll be there front and center.
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