remeber this place? just thought about it while eating at the ho-bihn...river city doughnuts? raid? sobering consequences halloween show? also just re-reading john lydons book and he said an all black heavy metal band opened for em in memphis..anyone got any ideas? what about slug fest--or psycho skate? ahhhh too much bruce springsteen. did the cromags ever play here?

Bo -- good seeing you out and about the other night -- while i am not a fan of decadance buddy (creepy, creepy) i can tell ya that roland robinson's band quo jr opened for the sex pistols show at taliesyn ballroom. AND i still have the set list from that sobering consequences halloween show...

cough cough memphis creep cough cough hic

I have an audio tape of that entire halloween show.I think it was raid, sobering,private war, pazuzu

sex pistols in memphis with quo jr opening..it was a magic night!..almost broke my ankle that night.some medical insurance fraud involved for the xray..pain pills..some fun!

who is quo jr.? what is cough cough hick? dtrain old sobering records are pricey..that is a reunion i wait for.....cro mags ever in memphis? i beleive brad long would know the answer to that...andria--you were front and center of that movement..i appreciate it.

Andria, you were the leader of the Memphis straight edge movement? You dirty dog.

sobering consequeces records are pricey?!
i traded the old truant records 7" to Bateman for the Dumpilation cd-r
i dont care - i still think i got the best of that deal (by far!)

i forget was sobering consequences before One Way or after? i'm thinking maybe before and after?

does anyone remember the name of the skate punk band from Jonesboro (sp?) Ark that played some (sparse) antenna shows with sobering consequences? i cant remember but they were pretty fun

thanks bo -- and fuck no i wasn't straight edge -- although i did quit buying beer INSIDE the antenna for a brief time in the late 80s, so steve & mark would let me in for the over-21 shows. i also delighted in wearing uniform choice and youth of today t-shirts while i was way-sted -- had a great shirt that said "drugs and booze, the sure way to lose" on one sleeve, and "no thanks, i don't need your drugs" on the other...

one way was formed waaay after sobering, i think those were the guys who went on to be in raid. remember when youth of today went krishna? they came here and had a "meeting" to try to pull in the germantown straight-edgers... i can't say i'm nostalgic for steve lovett and JR yet though!

who remembers econochrist?

oh and watching the reatards play at murphys last night was genius -- counting the lesbians and their friends going into the madison flame and thinking about all the times i'd stand outside the antenna wondering about the crusty old drunks who hung out at murphys!

good band name: river city go-nuts

ha!

damn the reatards were great last night.

Sobering Consequence 7" isn't pricy..
At least I didn't think so. I audio taped that whole halloween show. I taped a few actually. I think the one that came out the best though was the D.I. show at Antenna.
Yes! Members of One Way did end up in Raid, but I thought Sobering & One Way were around at the same time.Oh well.
Looks like the Franks Coctails show is back on for Scott's band though. See ya there Andria!-mike

The SlitWrists!

MetroWaste!

Distemper!

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who remembers econochrist?

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LRHC Represent! whoo pig!

i'm still holding on to my econochrist 7" on truant -- i think that one has gotten real pricey. i was a huge econochrist fan -- i still have a flier from their 1st show -- they played that show with One Way
so i guess econochrist were still called Criminal Mischief when they used to play a bunch with Sobering Consequences (at the Annex in Little Rock -- god bless RobO)

I LOVE Echonochrist.
I got kicked out of a show at Antenna once at there show cause this crazy girl down front was punching me in the face by the stage.I think she was on pcp or something. She would hit me & then act like nothing happened & run off. This went on for about 2 songs. After the 3rd or 4th time, I decked her back.The singer FREAKED OUT & pulled ME on stage, called me a nazi & had the bouncers & roadies throw me out.He then said something on stage like "we don't need any tough guy fuckin fighters in here!"The audience promptly applauded & I went back to the manwithgun house & got drunk.Bad night for the dtrain. But I love 'sitting with the comabox' song. Fuckin brilliant!

we used to have to drive to little rock for shows at the annex and the dmz bc memphis didn't have good hardcore shows! uncle roy and i drove all the way to fayetteville once to see youth of today...

mikey remember the time you got on stage and skronked your sax with the fieldstones at green's lounge? somewhere i have a fantastic photo gina b took of you in a red bubble yum shirt...

i dated tim the singer for slit wrist, right after i got outta high school. they would carry him onstage in a coffin and he'd leap out with a hangman's noose around his neck! he was the looove of my life (seriously) but we broke up bc i got sick of him letting that idiot bruce guy from tupelo come up and sleep in his room at smash house all the time -- he ruined my chances for nookie! tim MARRIED the next girl he dated and is happy and living in seattle.

uh, instead of saying "on stage" at green's lounge, i shoulda said "remember when you stood on that section of the concrete?" ha!

hey i remember you!

Yeah, I did that A few times. Sometimes I did alright, most times I did not. Depended on how much whisky the band made me drink before playing.They seemed to be cool with it. They actually asked me back a couple of times. I would love to see the picture.Maybe someone could post it or something.
Fun times indeed. Didn't that place burn down or something?

hey dtrain is that sobering show from that weird loft downtown or the antenna?.anyone remember the sobering consequences show on front street one halloween? when those fucked up redneck texas "skins" were in town?(one asshole would always wear the red polo type shirt).they jumped this girl that was sitting on a window then the redneck girlie "skinhead" started to kick her --fucked up.then i think the 2 "skins" or "redneck racists" got into it with each other and one pulled a knife.anyway,there was a link to a great sobering song called soldiers of the cross that brad sang on some page UNCLE ROY had up for awhile i believe it was from the antenna halloween-?

My high school punk band The Stiffs played at that loft with econochrist and ludichrist and sobering one halloween. Somehow I think thats a diferent show though.

halloween 85..sobering c. with strobe light on stage in a pumpkin and brad long waving an american flag.

Nope, sorry, not ludichrist but jesus chrysler.

Actually the tape is from Antenna. That show downtown, those skins threw somebody out the 2nd fl. window. I believe M.Gunter got his nose broken at that show as well.

Yeah...Econochrist was great! Ben kicked ass.Great bunch of guys they were.
It runs deep,it runs deep......! The punk anthem of Arkansas...but shared with San Francisco.Then the guy from Christ on Parade joined them. They don't make bands like that anymore.

I still have that Pezz/Sobering Consequences floppy blue 7". Remember when Scott Bomar played in Pezz? I don't, but I have a picture of it on the record.

yeah! remind bomar of that at the next Bo-Keys show.

What I remember about Pezz was how Nick's drums sounded like drums being pushed down stairs... amazing!

that girl was me and I actually didn't fall out the window, someone caught me by the front of my shirt before I went down. That was so fucked up! I was fucked up too, though, so it wasn't too traumatizing.
Didn't that cop named Shultz run those skinheads outta town or something?

i wrote ian mackaye a letter asking for help with the skinheads, who constantly tried to beat me up that fall. it took him about 2 years to write back -- by then, the confederate hammerskins were back in texas or whatever hell they came from...

Hey Andrea- did Rebel ever grab you by the ear and drag you off the floor at the Antenna club? Or was that just me?

Andria. sorry.
It just occured to me that you're like 20 feet away from me and I'm talking to you on this message board. I need to find something to do!

the mackaye treatment... wait 'em out!

remember, that's pronounced "Muck-EYE"

Dtrain, I would love to get a copy of the halloween show sometime. I think that was '89. If I remember correctly, '86 was Sobering's 1st halloween show in a backyard in Germantown. '87 was our best show (in my opinion, that's the one Bo referenced with the strobe light) with Steve Hickey and Castle Edward's band Sturm (if anyone has pics or a tape, I would love to get a copy). '88 was downtown with Econochrist, Jesus Chrysler, & Stiffs (not sure who else). '89 was with Pezz, Raid, & trusty(?). I am not sure if we played a Halloween show with Pazuzu or Private War. My memory is usually pretty good with these types of details...hmmmm Hey Bo, Cro-Mags never made it to Memphis.

hey Roy -- you should give me a call sometime. I have the Halloween tape and a ton of old photos...

Andria

I'm listed in the phone book

i just remember some bad juju and buddy douglass and that's all i ever want to say about decacdence manor ever again.

You know... I'm too young to be a part of this nostalgia, but I've definitely heard of Econochrist.

I believe it was Pazuzu, Trusty, Sobering, & Private War. I don't think Pezz was on the bill but I could be incorrect. I have it on an audio tape somwhere at my folks house. Let me know if that's the same audio cassette you got Andria. Good to hear from ya Uncle Roy, how's Melanie?

What all bands played @ Caroline(?) Smallwood's back yard, Halloween 1986? I know that was my band Uncensored's 1st show. That can't be the 1st Sobering show Uncle Roy spoke about.

Listening to Econochrist 2XCD discography right now. I remember hating it when I bought it. Cookie cutter politics are kind of lame & dated. The bass player is great though, shame about his bass tone -too high end.

For what it's worth....and I know that nobody'll care but...Buddy Douglas is working at the Empire pawn shop on Highland (across the street from McDonalds). I went in looking for a bass and he, gulp, recognized me.

Wow. That's so weird to even think about.

I'd made my purchase and was headed for the door. A creepy man behind the counter looks up from repairing a watch...

Buddy: "Did you used to play in a band?"
Me: "Uh, yeah."
B: "What was the name of it?"
M: "Well, I played guitar in a band called American Lesion..."
B: "Yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh! You don't remember me do you?"
M: "Uh....." (sadly, I did but didn't want to admit to it)

*uncomfortable pause*

B: "It's Buddy! Buddy Douglas!"
M: "Oh. Hey Buddy. Uh...how's it goin"?"
B: "Well..."
M: "Listen...I really gotta get goin'. Take it easy."

There's plenty of other pawn shops in town!

Yeah, I saw him at that pawn shop. I was able to skeedattle before he recognized me.

Empire on Highland, huh? He's really gettin around. Last time I seen Buddy he was workin @ the Happy Hocker on E.Parkway across from The Revolution. He sold me a technics turntable that turned out to be from the UK-never got around to gettin an adapter.---anyone got any copies of Nation of Sheep kickin around?

I used to have a laminate from the show.

Dream Season ROXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

Did he have a creepy poytail Kyle?

ponytail, i meant to say PONYTAIL!

He did, and so did his older "partner", Joel. I want to say Joel got hit by a car, or something...

OMG, talk about selective memory. Was this the house across from the Pig? I went there a few times in 1992 and remember Buddy always hitting on my boyfriend. He reminded me of that guy from One Crazy Summer that was trying to win the radio call in show.

I'm thinking about the right guy, right?

I just registered every variation of my name in fear that someone was going to try and get funny with this new BBS system. I saw him peddling jewelry at Lollopalooza '93, in Nashville. Don't remember his garb, but considering what I was wearing at the time, there should be no comment. Tool played the second stage with Unrest. Front 242 on the main stage with Babes In Toyland. Me on acid. Maybe. People burned shit once the sun set. Dino Jr./Alice in Chains/Primus headline evening.

Yeah, that's him.

Nope...he doesn't have the ponytail anymore. Actually his hair is pretty short. And he's got a greasy little moustache and goatee. At least, he did. This was all about a year or so ago.

yeah rachel that would be the same guy. when you say "your boyfriend", did you or your boyfriend happen to be in high school at the time? just askin.

Hell, Man. I remember the '88 Halloween show so vividly cause it was one of my first ever shows. Lessee, I think Jesus Chrysler played first. Their lead singer split so Greg Cartright (sp?) sang their songs for 'em. Next was Econochrist I think (o.k., I'm hazy on the second band), then Sobering, and last was Pazuzu. Pazuzu never got to play cause the cops shut down the show.

But the guy who almost got pushed out of the window by the MASH skins was my friend Darren Kitterman (sp?). After it happened by best friend David Tarrant (sp?) came out of the loft all freaked out and told us what happened. Then this skin comes up and says to us: "Who wants to fight a members of MASH?" HA! We all looked at our feet until he went away. Anyway, what a fucked up night.

Anybody other than Luke Warm (he was there) remember the "Show of the Decade" with Bobby Steele that Buddy set up? American Lesion played that show. Right before we went on everybody found out that Steele wasn't coming and we were all saying "big surprise." I remember Buddy seriously talking about getting GWAR to play at the Manor! HA! What a dipshit!

I believe that was the summer after I graduated high school. Oh, and I was at that Lollapalooza too. I left before Alice In Chains and hungout with Fishbone on their tourbus. Oh, to be young and cute again...

Hey, Andy,
At least he put on shows. I was all down for when Iron Maiden was supposed to come and play there, but that was after "Somewhere In Time", and I was, like, No Way, 'cause synthesizers suck.

Dude, he was trying to get Maiden to play at DM, too? I missed that one!

I just remember how small the "stage" was when I played there with both Lesion and koma toast. We had 5 members in kt at the time and I had to stand on the edge of the stage so we could fit everybody in. I would love to see a band used to arenas try to fit into the living room there. Now that would have been a Spinal Tap moment.

yeah those lollapalooza evening fires were pretty rad. radder than the Alice in Chains set. the carride back to Mtown ride featuring loveless and bandwagonesque remain more memorable. Tool w. Z.dela Rocha were f-n hot. 10 years seems like a safe enough buffer to to admit that. Unrest was on that bill?!?! I remember being bummed cause Merc REv got off the tour just prior to Nashvegas. Oh and i missed Buddy there...hence my lack of skullrings and dream catchers to bring home for the fam.

Dood! I got hired to play drums for Bobby Steele at CBGBS like , 3 years ago, so we got to talking & became good friends. I asked him about that show at the Manor & he said that NOBODY contacted him about it. He didn't know anything about this show & said he wasn't even on tour that summer.He also let me ask a ton of Misfits questions. He's a super nice guy. He gave me a copy of an unreleased Misfits record called '12 hits from hell' (not to be confused with 3 hits from hell 7 inch). It's 12 songs (duh) that is basically Walk Among Us with Bobby on guitar. There are some songs with solo's & different endings & stuff. It's really fuckin good. Better than Walk Among us even. I think he just won the settlement against Danzig for the rights of all the songs. I had no idea but it turns out Bobby wrote 70 percent of the songs up through "Legacy" apparrently.
Last time I saw him he came into Wowsville when I was working & said he was getting married to my friend Heidi or somethin. Haven't seen him since.
Nice fella.

I knew it I knew it I knew it!!!!!! I knew Buddy was spewing complete bullshit about that "show of the decade"!!!!!!!! I've still got my laminated "stage pass" from that show.

There was punk rock in Memphis in the 80's!? A place called Antenna Club where you could go and model punk attire and engage tribal slam pit moshings with fellow hardcore types from all over the Mid Southern US of A? Me and my fellow football players from the suburbs would have loved to get involved with this high energy scene, but we never knew about it, and of coarse we did not know the secret handshakes and rituals that would have gained us entry anyway.

And this Decadence Manor
was ground zero for the eras hep cats and kittens, kind of like Andy Warhols Factory, but in the city of Memphis, twenty years later? Sounds like good times were had by all from all the romantic nostalgic waxings I read about this little slice of heaven called Antenna.

Marc B.

Going through boxes of crap today and found a copy of a contract Buddy gave the Gamblers. He wanted us to sign a management contract with him. Truly HIGH-LARIOUS!!! Wish I had the time to post it all. Funny stuff.

YOU MUST POST IT!!! I HAVE TO SEE IT!

andy i remember the show of the century it was in that big place behind the milk plant and mollys i was in OPIUM DREAM we played that night i remember buddy telling us before hand that there would be no cigarette smoking because bobby had some kind of lung ailment, the worst part about reliving this memory is Buddy was our MANAGER , im seriously thinking of going to that pawn shop to see if he will manage the LIMES man he was always full of ideas i dont think we signed anything oh wait i think we did i remember joel printing it off his computer right there in decadence front room good times by many especially runaway boys and i had that laminated tag up until a couple years ago

Punctuate, man! Punctuate!!!

That was me at the Halloween show but not with JesusChrysler. I was singing for my band at the time, The Stiffs.

The Bobby Steele lung ailement thing is actually correct. I remember that. I didn't think the show actually happenned though. I was so sick of Buddy's bullshit I didn't even go. I think after I got arrested at decadence I never really went back. I had had enough bullshit ya know.
Wasn't that place by the milk factory owned by the chinese mob? I'm pretty sure it was. Weird place.

How the hell did you get arrested at Decadence Manor?

Buddy is odd and all those things, but I never noticed him much. For me Jimbo Massenburg was the best thing that happened to my 18 year old suburban catholic school girl wardrobe and music collection. He was the thin white duke with a trunk full of 40's dresses. This wasn't the Decadence Manor by the Piggly Wiggly, but the one closer to Cleveland, the Grey Gardensesque mansion.

"I know a girl from Frayser, she drives a demon car, she spray paints her phrases on the city walls. Girl from frayser, stays out all night. Girl from Frayser, you really are a sight." Odd Jobs

Ohhhh...haha. It's on videotape! Certainly you must have heard this one??The mug shot from that night made it on the back of the Man W/Gun album... Chuck & Dirty White came & picked me up a couple days later or somethin to pick me up. I was sooo happy they did. Until they informed me that they didn't drive, they walked to 201 cause it was a nice day. So I had to WALK back from fucking jail!!! That's hard times dood. God I was mad about that. Why even come to pick someone up at all??? I don't get it. Oh well.

Definitely. Jimbo was the gent that Buddy could never be. But these were also the days when you could get vintage rayon dresses for $2 at that thrift store in the old Seesel's building in Whitehaven. O how I long for the days.

the sobering consequenses reunion went under the name of "jackballers"and they sounded terrible! i don't think any members were ever sober except uncle roy.

ya know, my dad lived on Belvedere at Madison for a long time, and he always warned us not to enter the Decadence Manor. He alleged that the owner was a child molester. That is not my claim, but does anyone know about this?

Uncle Chester, allegedly. Creepy, definitely.

yes mike your father was telling you thr truth. unfortunately i have met some his young sexual participants. tell your dad to stay away from the "happy hocker" on cleveland because mr.douglass enjoys the company of grown men also.

"Somebody call the ass squad, we've got a live ass down here!" -----Hank Von Helvet 'Turbonegro'

Motherfuckin' pizza tonight! --------- jeff g. told me that one day he was drinkin' "jesus juice"on this guy's porch (Dirty white, and dtrain used to live together)the cops come up and start askin' all these questions about this young runaway girl, and where decadence manor is.I pointed it out because it was just down the street and all these cop cars start coming out of the wood work it seemed,i tells ya! jeff also told me that guy "dtrain" was all up inside decadence manor yellin' at people through a p.a.system (i think he mentioned some band was playing) ,and someone complained to the police.well when the cops got there they told dtrain to shut it down that it was too loud .thats when this dtrain dude(whoever that is ) yells over the microphone to a black female police officer that she's his" Mississippi sweet potato". that how i heard this "dtrain "got arrested. those black chicks demand respect!

Wow Miss Linda! What a memory! I do hawever find it odd that you know all this stuff aboume yet you cannot place exactly who I am??!! Very funny. Your recolection is indeed acurate (to a point) however there is more to the story of course! I am very intrested to know who you are miss linda as someone with a memory like that & a freind of jeff g's tells me that I probably know you pretty well too. My name is Mike. What's yours?

LOL...

Was that the same night you got arrested at the show at Decadence for shouting "FUCK THE POLICE" when the cops showed up? And you had that very.. illegal.. knife on you...

God I feel fucking old now.

you feel old , i'm fifty fuckin' seven years old! hey mike we've never met but you've probably seen me in wrestling venues, or on T.V. I AM THE LOVELY MISS LINDA! Valet to the ONE AND ONLY ADRIAN STREET!We both live in VEGAS now,but you can catch up with us @ <iloveadrianstreet.com> .By the way adrian and jeff say "HI".

i think this"miss linda" BITCH is an imposter! I'm begining to smell some phony bologna arround here! Im starting to think this so called "miss linda" is that drunken liar Jeff gunn! that's what I think!That good for nothing bastard told me he would call me last week but never did,and he owe's me 20$!

ha-ha-ha. That "winner" owes me alot more than that! Get in line!
& Yes, that would indeed be the night Charlie, or whoever you are.

Ha ha. Must be Jeff Gunn cuz he has a mind like a steel trap and a constitution to match. HEEE HAWW

what's all this "hot dog breath" shit!?! is this one of those bitches from <watchmeeatahotdog.com> or just some ho from mempho?you're that stupid girl that works at the "pony" aren't you.

I can't believe Jeff Gunn learned to fucking type. Jesus christ. What's next, Yoga? LOL.

he probably get's his fuckin' mama to type for him. I bet the only reason he'd ever try to do yoga is to try to suck his own dick,because he knows little miss hot dog breath wont!Not again any way.

maybe "jeff" and "miss linda"need to go to the happy hocker and do some YOGA with that buddy douglass bitch!

Just saw this thread for jesus chrysler. I played drums in that band and remember those spots in Memphis well. Great to here all of those names again. That halloween show was a blur to me for many reasons but reading about it is kind of fun. Is the antenna/murphy's still around?

antenna is a lesbian bar- the madison flame- and murphys is still murphys.

lotta history there!

hehe.

DTrain - could I get a copy of that halloween show from you???

antenna is a lesbian bar- the madison flame- and murphys is still murphys.


murphys has always been a gay bar.
teehee.

I'm gonna have to find it next time I'm in Memphis. I believe it's at my folks place but it's gonna take some investigation. When I do locate it, Yes! Everyone can have a copy.

I was listening back to some of the Oblivians Blackout stuff today and did some Googling on "Memphis Creep". I forgot how great this thread was.

cant believe I havent seen this thread.

Uncle Roy posted, howzabout that! First "record dealer" I ever dealt with...he charged me the crazy high price of $20( 20 1987 dollars, a lot of moola when you are 16) for the first Husker Du 7". Thanks for starting my sickness Roy!

favorite antenna memory for me, besides my first show there (Saint Vitus and the Mentors) was sitting outside along the wall waiting to get in for the Danzig show and a mini van pulling up and an angry mom jumping out and yanking her son outta line and bitching and yelling at him about how she told him "not to come down here to this damn place!" and then shoving him in the van, while we laughed and yelled and threw shit at the van. good times good times.

Anybody remember the mini riot at the Government Issue show? skins sieg hieling and trying to start shit with Stabb...cant remember if Steve Hickey was involved. He seemed a little to nice to be a skin..but he was a confederate hammer if i remember correctly.

was sitting outside along the wall waiting to get in for the Danzig show and a mini van pulling up and an angry mom jumping out and yanking her son outta line and bitching and yelling at him about how she told him "not to come down here to this damn place!" and then shoving him in the van

AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I remember that! I've already forgot his name! Jessee or Jeremy, or something like that! I saw him last year at the Buc at a Six String Jets show. He's living out in the country of Alabama now, or something with a truckload of kids. MarkSlaughter knows his name. Private War and Pazuzu played that show, too.

I realize this thread is as old as the hills but I couldn't help but notice that someone has a Dumpilation CDR. I would pay dearly for a copy.

While I'm at it, does anybody have the Men With No IQ's 7 inch?

Pazuzu! Moribund!

OMG, I remember this place! I dated the drummer for a band called Dr. Jelly Finger and they played there. Buddy was always hitting on my boyfriend, too. But the shows there were really fun.