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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 7:53 pm
 
...is more awesome than I ever imagined! Go Miami-Ohio!!!!
Posted: Nov 16, 2009 8:23 pm
 
Ah...John Wall saves Cal's ass with clutch jumper with a second on the clock. Wake up call for KY fans, but they'll improve & Wall will likely continue to carry the team on his way to #1 draft pick next year. Miami-OH. Pick this team somewhere in yr tourney bracket as they'll likely be there if tonight is any indication.
Posted: Nov 16, 2009 9:52 pm
 
Rooting against Kentucky...

Isn't that just "rooting for Mississippi"?
Posted: Nov 17, 2009 4:53 am
 
It has to be more fun than rooting for Memphis...
Posted: Nov 17, 2009 11:21 am
 
It has to be more fun than rooting for Memphis...

You talking about the Grizz? Yeah, it was way more fun than that. If you are talking about the Tigers, I had to get escorted out 15 minutes after the game against Jackson St was over because we were still having fun rooting for the Tigers. Even watching yet another 18-yr-old kid prop up Calipari's image wasn't that fun!
Posted: Nov 17, 2009 5:30 pm
 
Don't get too excited, this is a "rebuilding year". Cal has a couple seasons to turn the program around before the KY fans/ boosters turn on him.
Posted: Nov 17, 2009 11:40 pm
 
Kentucky was 14 of 26 from the free throw line last night.

Welcome to hell bluegrass state.
Posted: Dec 12, 2009 7:04 am
 
heh
Posted: Dec 16, 2009 1:17 pm
 
the thing that sucks is that i have a shitload of friends that live in lexington and are big kentucky fans who don't seem to get why i dislike cal so much. oh they will see eventually, i'm sure.
Posted: Dec 16, 2009 8:53 pm
 
the thing that sucks is that i have a shitload of friends that live in lexington and are big kentucky fans who don't seem to get why i dislike cal so much.

This reminds me of when I moved to Massachusetts and never understood why UMass alum always gave me the stink eye when I'd try to bond with them about Cal.
Posted: Dec 18, 2009 10:54 pm
 
I love how Cal has to play all "muzzled up and diplomatic" now that he's at a fine, upstanding SEC school with "great basketball tradition". Case in point: His milquetoast reaction to Bobby Knight calling him out as the prime example of corrupt college hoops (see below).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4755172
Posted: Dec 19, 2009 9:43 am
 
Another day, another bit of ridiculousness.
Diplomacy fits Cal like a cheap suit or perhaps its vice versa?
(Last paragraphs...)

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2009/12 /19/calipari_wont_attend_umass_memphis_garden_party/?page=2
Posted: Dec 19, 2009 5:18 pm
 
austin peay looked pretty good, couldn't keep up with UK in the end. ah well.
Posted: Dec 19, 2009 7:48 pm
 
Maybe Drexel will pull off an upset? Yeah, Cal's really testing his amazing squad with hyper-tough out-of-conference games, per usual.
Posted: Dec 22, 2009 6:50 am
 
Yeah.

Cal set that schedule up...

Look It's not that I don't agree with you about him being a slimeball. It's just that I'm a UK fan and that means winning is everything. If Cal comes up with some basketball voodoo ritual that guarantees the title but somehow involves kicking puppies and bludgeoning baby seals, I'm all for it. That's all I'm saying.

Go Cats!
Posted: Dec 22, 2009 7:19 am
 
If Cal comes up with some basketball voodoo ritual that guarantees the title but somehow involves kicking puppies and bludgeoning baby seals, I'm all for it. That's all I'm saying

You say that NOW. . .
Posted: Dec 22, 2009 2:39 pm | Edited by: ryan brown
 
Look It's not that I don't agree with you about him being a slimeball. It's just that I'm a UK fan and that means winning is everything. If Cal comes up with some basketball voodoo ritual that guarantees the title but somehow involves kicking puppies and bludgeoning baby seals, I'm all for it. That's all I'm saying.

Ask Michigan fans how this works out, or better yet, look at your own program under Eddie Sutton. Emery Worldwide-Worldwide Wes? Eric Manuel cheating on an entrance exam? Derrick Rose cheating on an entrance exam?

Enjoy your run guy cause it won't end pretty. It hasn't anywhere Cal has been and it won't in Lexington.

Ashley Judd is a turd.
Posted: Dec 22, 2009 3:06 pm
 
Ashley Judd is a turd.

i hope by "a turd" you mean fucking hot!
Posted: Dec 22, 2009 7:32 pm
 
You say that NOW. . .

Pre-fucking-cisely. I guess Kentucky somehow believes it is more savvy than Memphis because its fans are willing to be proactively defensive for whatever Cal ends up pulling at KY, as long as they end up winning. Well, Kentucky can take that transparent attitude and mix it up in some racing horseshit where it belongs.

I guess Cal didn't set that schedule up, but trust me, it'll look just like every schedule he will set up in the future. Thing is, he ain't in C-USA anymore and can't count on winning every conference game plus the obligatory cupcake walk with--maybe--two meaningful out-of-conference games for good measure (to deflect Selection Cmte from focusing too much on said Cal Cupcake Walk). It even got tired to me, man. Enjoy it while it lasts or until next year when NBA-bound John Wall barely claims Kentucky because he spent hardly a minute there (i.e. Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans) and well, at least 3 other teams have better recruiting classes than Kentucky's, including the Tigers.

Then the hilarity/tragedy will truly begin when Cal pulls a Bruce Pearl and shows how when it is time to actually coach, he will be utterly outmatched --if he is pushed to the point of needing to do something other than walk up and down the court, cursing and berating players for no reason, that is--by the following: Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, Jay Wright, Rick Barnes, Mark Few, Jim Boeheim, Mike Anderson...etc. Yes, etc.

Cal has proven--in the most inopportune times--that when forced (imagine, John Wall tearing his ACL at some point, Cousins beating up someone in class--but, Cal's really good about making that kinda stuff go away--etc), he has no fucking idea how to game coach. Coaching the dribble-drive? Sure, he can do that. But managing clock and time outs? I don't know if he's paid attention to that stuff.

If anyone other than a Memphis or UMass fan, John Cheney or Rick Patino was saying all this, you Kentucky fans may be able to blow it off. But, we KNOW. Memphis fans more than any of the above.
Posted: Dec 23, 2009 6:32 am
 
Perhaps.

I was trying to lighten the mood here. Obviously that's a lost cause.

For supposedly "hip" rock and rollers you guys sure get your panties in a wad over a bunch of grown men playing a game with a bouncing ball. Whatever.
Posted: Dec 23, 2009 1:46 pm
 
I know I let you have it, but really. You'd know where I was coming from if you had experienced it. Perhaps you will. Maybe Kentucky will be the school that breaks the wild horse in Cal; we'll see. Thing is, that wild horse trait is about all he's got going for him.

And cease with the "hip rock n rollers" vs. basketball business. Everyone knows what side my bread is buttered on and well, let's just say I've probably attended more bouncing ball games in the last 5 years than rock n roll shows.
Posted: Dec 24, 2009 1:31 pm
 
let's just say I've probably attended more bouncing ball games in the last 5 years than rock n roll shows.

Amen, sister.

Besides, for me it's not even about the Cal leaving issue- he says it's his dream job; who could begrudge anyone for going after that?- it's

1. How he completely gutted the program when he left. He spent our money on all of these guys who are playing for your team now, and we're not getting a refund. And that leads to

2. How he's consequently changing the way college basketball is "played", so to speak. When Roy Williams left Kansas for UNC he made his guys stay, and made a big point of explaining why it's wrong for players to pick a coach and not a school.

Calipari is a bad guy. Not even irritating, slimy Bruce Pearl bad; he's everything that is wrong with the direction that college basketball is heading. And he's not just an example, he's the cause of it.
Posted: Dec 26, 2009 6:17 pm
 
Yeah, it is the "how he left" for sure. Otherwise, I'd likely be over it by now--Cal was never our Tom Izzo and it would not be at all similar if Izzo left Michigan State (God forbid--my husband would fall into a deep depression).

Not to mention the "Bad Guy" aspect of Cal, his sliminess is worse than Bruce Pearl because it is at sociopathic levels; Calipari is a shell who morphs as he lives and breathes. At first I thought he was squriming inside now that he has to be somewhat muzzled as the Kentucky coach, but now I am not so sure.

I truly think he sold his soul Bedazzled-style and the guy that baited John Cheney all those years ago simply doesn't exist.
Posted: Dec 27, 2009 7:12 am
 
What I thought was a real dick move was when the coach of the University of Cinncinati left for the Notre Dame job without coaching in the Sugar Bowl against Florida. I mean, what does this teach the players (who half of them are most 90's teens with 75% of them too young to drink.), that it is OK to get promoted on the backs of others and not even have the common decency to say goodbye, or even a "kiss my ass" upon leaving.

Many players probably choose a coach and this is why they go to a school. For a kid who wants to play big time college football, there isn't much difference between successful teams, U Tennessee, U of Alabama, LSU, U of Florida are basically all the same except for the different colors and uniforms. Coaches have a profound effect on their players, for good or for ill.

Lastly, it is silly to be angry at a coach who decides to leave your school for "greener pastures" as it were. I think that the coaches should stick to their contracts or pay a large breach penalty of they take off. If this new football coach is successfull in Memphis, he'll move on in a few years. U. of Memphis is a mid-major school. Think that teenager coaching the basketball team is going to stick around there all of his life if he is successful?

Hate Calipari because he brought in Derrick Rose, helped his cheat on his enterence exam, knowing full well that he is only going to stay there the year and move on to the NBA. If Memphis would of won the National Championship, it just would of been jerked away (which would fit Memphis perfectly as a hard luck town where nothing goes right no matter what.) I hope that all of you students who attend the U. of Memphis think about Derrick the freeloader who went to school free on the dime of tuition payers and the taxpayers of the state of Tennessee.
Posted: Dec 27, 2009 10:38 am
 
Lastly, it is silly to be angry at a coach who decides to leave your school for "greener pastures" as it were.

I think we made it pretty clear that we're angry at how he did it and the mess he made while doing so, not just for doing it.

For a kid who wants to play big time college football, there isn't much difference between successful teams, U Tennessee, U of Alabama, LSU, U of Florida are basically all the same except for the different colors and uniforms.

Nobody is disagreeing with you there. But in football, these kids are typically spending their entire four year college career preparing for an NFL career. Derrick Rose only went to college because he was legally required to. And then there's the kids like Willie Kemp and Doneal Mack (and I think Wesley Witherspoon would have eventually fallen into this category), who had NBA potential but lost their shit once Calipari started warping their poor little minds.
Posted: Dec 27, 2009 11:10 am
 
who had NBA potential but lost their shit once Calipari started warping their poor little minds.

This is interesting as I think this is a definite Cal shortcoming. Screaming to motivate your players is a given, but if you can't mix it up or at least figure out what actions motivate ALL the players on the team, you really can't reach that top echelon of coaching anything. Cal knows screaming but I didn't see him working hard to figure out & shine up the more raw talents. (Kemp, Mack, et al).

Anyway, he's now set for life with $$$ even if he does supremely fuck up at Kentucky or anywhere else. But I'm fairly certain his rep is forever tainted even if he does pull off the National Championship this year with his mostly poached team. Next year will be interesting going up against the new recruiting classes at Memphis, Ohio State & Texas, among others. He doesn't have a Top-10 recruit yet.
Posted: Dec 27, 2009 4:16 pm
 
Next year will be interesting going up against the new recruiting classes at Memphis, Ohio State & Texas, among others. He doesn't have a Top-10 recruit yet.

If he fucks up and Kentucky doesn't at least get to the Final Four this year, he won't be able to coast through his '10-'11 pitiful class on that. His ass will be out.
Posted: Dec 29, 2009 7:09 pm
 
He'll be losing Wall, Patterson and Cousins in the draft. With that talent, if he doesn't at least get to the final game, he may be in trouble.

Today's Hater Moment: Yep. John Wall "on fire" (ESPN announcer quote) against...Hartford.

In better news: Memphis Central girls hoops #24 in the Nation!
Posted: Dec 29, 2009 7:25 pm
 
Okay, I'm about ready to GIVE IT UP about the slime coach. I do root against him, hell yeah. And to think, I was an apologist for a few months!
I just don't want to think about him too much anymore. He's gone on to "greener pastures," and they're talking about Coach P having the best recruiting class in the nation next year.

I'm really loving Pastner...I thought he was a pussy, but the few games I've seen have convinced me that he is not! I mean, what are we? 9-2. It's not quite the apocolypse yet.

I'm just sick of thinking about him, and wanting him to get what he's due. I'm ready to move on! It just makes me kind of embarrassed that I ever loved such a slimeball. Like that boyfirend I had in 2001...I can't forget about him fast enough!

In better news: Memphis Central girls hoops #24 in the Nation!
I've got a big stake in Memphis Central, and that's great to hear!
Posted: Dec 30, 2009 3:17 pm
 
Hey, I was over talking about it and I'm sure I'll get there again, but he got all in the news after the Bobby Knight thing and well, it riled it all back up for me. I cannot help but want him to get his, but naturally I care more about how the Tigers are doing NOW!

I'll be the first to give Cal his props for really getting the university to invest in the team on another level. I know he's a slice of why we have what we have and what we're getting in the future. Still, he's a greasy bitch.

Peace!
Posted: Dec 30, 2009 6:32 pm
 
Tomorrow will be a test.
Posted: Dec 31, 2009 6:21 pm
 
Tested, but I have to say we basically exposed Pearl (again) as a shit coach and (presciently) the Vols for likely losing many an SEC game this season.
Posted: Dec 31, 2009 6:22 pm
 
How's this for a roundabout move: I actually will adore watching Kentucky mop the floor with them...until the moment when shots of Cal pacing and screaming become one too many (should be about 16:48 in the first half).
Posted: Dec 31, 2009 8:02 pm
 
(should be about 16:48 in the first half)

I'm not sure how you came up with this exact time, but it's hilarious to me for some reason.
Posted: Jan 1, 2010 11:28 am
 
I'm not sure where that came from either, but that is about right, minus the pregame, ESPN jock-riding material.
Posted: Jan 2, 2010 2:45 pm
 
Jesus! Watching Kentucky v Louisville. SIX FOULS in the first 45 seconds and a couple of fights already!
This is totally retarded.
Posted: Jan 2, 2010 5:21 pm
 
Cousins is a time bomb;I'm sure, if he had come here like he initially, you know, committed to do, guarantee he would have gotten into some serious off-court shit. Glad not to have the guy, regardless of his sick game. Wall...man, I gotta say I love that kid.

Lousiville's lead in the second half was a nice moment of joy; I definitely felt OK after that. Cal & his coaching staff have zero control over a swath of that team; I felt like punching Cousins when I saw a clip of him mouth off with a "Shut that shit!" move to Rod Strickland.
Posted: Jan 2, 2010 5:58 pm
 
Glad not to have the guy, regardless of his sick game.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He looked like a prime prick out there. He got away with a flagrant foul in the first few minutes of the game.
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