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austinkate
Posted: Nov 7, 2002 7:13 pm
 
speaking of, i was wondering if you memphis folk could explain to me the fondness you have for tav falco. i've just heard some stuff and jesus, it's bloody awful. am i missing something in the translation? am i just too texas to get it?
peepstemple
Posted: Nov 7, 2002 8:36 pm
 
hey I am from memphis and I hate his stuff its the worst cramps roots rock rip off shit I have ever heard I thjink it was all a ploy to fuck skinny white girls and then let them join his band
eric o
Posted: Nov 7, 2002 8:38 pm
 
there's 2 camps in memphis... the old schoolers, who came up in the LX chilton-flies-on-sherbert "we're all on quaaludes" messed up period... and alex seemed to enjoy tav's spirit and how off he was... tav had some amazing bands, including alex, ross johnson, jim duckworth, ron easley, that mighta made it worth seeing at some point... he's been into good stuff for a long time- rl burnside & jessie mae hemphill before anybody, covering "snake drive"... he's charismatic and a good frontman, even if he doesn't really have anything to offer... a "duet" with mack rice the first time mack played in memphis was unbelievably off. almost good.

then there's folks like yourself that just don't like to hear it. fine, too. he's an egomaniac who doesn't know how worthless he is, and has no shame about getting onstage when he should stay sipping cognac at his table. he's also burned a buncha the youngish folks who liked him and wanted to play with him... jack yarber, mike hurtt, scott bomar all have nightmare tav stories. and i think we can blame him for claudine (sorry bazookajoe). how's her lip, by the way?

i think i'm in-between - i'm definitely not gonna put on an album, or go see him live, but i appreciate how fucked he is and how much he makes people uncomfortable. and the stories that come out of it are great stories, too...

and i gotta say that he's great in the jim rose movie that they screened here with the dirtbombs show...

austinkate
Posted: Nov 7, 2002 11:44 pm
 
claudine. holy christ....is she one of the skinny rock chicks in his band? she spent some time here i think. is she terrorizing memphis now? best wishes, fellas.
Mandible
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 1:46 am
 
His vocals are definitely Shite and most of his recorded output sucks. But Behind the Magnolia Curtain is an absolute classic record in my mind - not a cramps rip to my ears, but something else altogether - probably just happened to record it at the precisely right (or wrong) moment. I'm sure it would not have been what it was without Chilton, et al. I got nothing against plots to nail skinny white (or other type of) girls either (isn't that what all bands are for?).
uleeshuh
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 5:11 am
 
I sway a bit more to the peepstemple side of the Tav line, but at the same time, I think Panther Burns and the Hellcats were the first punk rock live bands I saw in Memphis outside the the more sex pistols/circle jerks inspired punk bands that were what the memphis kids were listening to at that time. It seemed back then like something way weirder that mohawks and pins in your eyebrow. Now it's just garage and that's so generic. Chilton sounds shattered now live, but I really like some of the stuff he's done in the past, and YES!! Kitty Fires IS TOTALLY TERRORIZING MEMPHIS, and did a comendible job this halloween at the annual Hell on Earth. I clapped my hands for her performance as she outshined all the bands pre-2:30 pm.
eric o
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 5:45 am
 
and then got socked in the mouth.

Talbot
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 7:07 pm
 
I don't know Tav, got nothing against him, and have only heard one 7 inch, so not much of an opinion on his music either. The one thing I know is that he looks like one of the members in Prince's band circa Purple Rain. I don't know the guys name, but when I saw Tav at a Pendletons show years ago I thought "hey, it's that guy from prince's band!"
Uncle Dan
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 8:24 pm
 
I likewise only have a handful of his stuff--2 7"ers and 2 CDs. I don't think it's terrible or anything but I think when it comes to doing cover-heavy material, he doesn't have anything on Jeffrey Evans. JE does covers in a way where he makes the songs his own. Tav's stuff definitely isn't earthshattering but I don't think there's anything wrong with his voice and everything else is decent. I guess the best way to put it is, if I was talking to or hanging out with someone and wanted something playing in the background, Tav's stuff would be ideal--when I'm listening to something I really dig a lot, I don't want to be socializing over it. Basically, good but not great.
austinkate
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 8:44 pm
 
i see. he gets some credit for his place in memphis music history, but he's a little embarrasing and kind of an asshole. all right. by the way, i think miss claudine likes punches to the face. go figure.
moody prick
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 9:11 pm
 
...and don't let him tango with your girl-dude can dance for real!
ledisquairebazookajoe
Posted: Nov 8, 2002 11:47 pm
 
I'm not a fan but I like the In The Red LP just fine. If you're basing your opinion on his music after having heard it then your never gonna like him. So just what does Miss Kittyfires do???
BO
Posted: Nov 9, 2002 6:17 am
 
HAVE EVER SEEN HENRY-PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER?
Goubler
Posted: Nov 17, 2002 6:35 am
 
I dig Tav;My few times meeting him didn't rub me the wrong way,but i never lived in the same town with him.As far as 'fucking girls' goes,i cant think of a better reason to start a band.
I always liked his take on the music they did;treating it almost as an artistic thing,rather then trying to come off as johnny-faux-whitetrash-badass,like alot of current garage/rockabilly bands.
Some of my favorite shows in the 80's were Panther Burns gigs,when he had Reineke in the band;one from around '88 was at this drug-front art gallery in the new orleans CBD;the place "acidentally" burned down soon afterwards.I also recently saw him bugging Basquiat(now THERE'S a fraud!) in DOWNDOWN 81;you new-wave-revival kids should really check that flick out.
JJK
Posted: Nov 19, 2002 3:51 am
 
Sheesh! His last rec and Magnolia Curtain are great, I think. If Tav can't sing, what does Jeffery Evans do for ya? They're both amazing. Also, that 4-song New Rose EP and live record are killer. Fucked up, loosey-goosey, funny. Sure, a LOT of his stuff sucks. But he's recorded better records than you have.
Helen Wheels
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 1:21 am
 
Get a grip Kate - or drop the Austin part. This music has only been in the faves for my last fifteen years or so. Go listen to Goddess from the Lower East Side or Shade Tree Mechanic, then come back and say there's nothin' there for you. Maybe you can afford a garage mechanic...but they're not nearly the fun, and they cost more...
ed oblivian
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 2:07 am
 

ed oblivian
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 2:10 am
 
George Reineke Era Panther Burns was some of the best guitar work I've ever seen.
austinkate
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 7:59 pm
 
"Get a grip Kate - or drop the Austin part."

I'll drop the Austin if you add an "A" so your name makes sense. Helena Wheels.

pauolo
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 8:19 pm
 
we all know!
austinkate
Posted: Nov 20, 2002 11:47 pm
 
or helena handbasket. yeah. that's better.
Helen Wheels
Posted: Nov 21, 2002 9:23 am
 
Helen Highwater be more like it. Shoulda seen that one coming. I can take it...
Luke Batarang
Posted: Nov 21, 2002 2:49 pm
 
Tav's recent Belgian show is in my TOP 3 of 2002 (1=Orchestra Baobab, 2=Drive-by Truckers). The setlist was superfine and 'la présence' a true relief after too many 'hey we're punkrockers so don't blame our set being too sloppy'-type-of-bands (see Les Sexareenos)! A mix between Lynch and Kaurismaki - to speak in cinematic terms. Nothing beats 'Tina the go-go queen' (Mack Rice) - still glad I don't live in the statess though!
fake american accent
Posted: Nov 21, 2002 7:31 pm
 
Yes, of course. YOU live in a real country. Belgium. HA!
Scott
Posted: Nov 22, 2002 1:24 am
 
Yes, Belgium is a real country. I' ve seen it on a map. Also, I've always been fond of Helen Back.
Helen Wheels
Posted: Nov 22, 2002 5:40 am
 
Yes, I think many Americans have visited Belgium, thank goodness for us that there were some trenches and foxholes there..but for the high water of course. Guess we could go to Helen Wait, but the idiom probably escapes...
richieaurilia
Posted: Nov 22, 2002 6:27 am
 
belgian waffles, belgian beer
manneke pis, never fear
austinkate
Posted: Nov 22, 2002 7:42 pm
 
helen back! i love it. i may have to steal it.
Chris Alienator
Posted: Nov 24, 2002 12:40 am
 
Like Flies on Sherbert came out in 79? that's amazing..I was under the impression that it came out in the 90's...I don't know why I assumed that. I thought I was hearing a Gories influence...maybe I was hearing a mutual Bo Diddley influence.
Helen Wheels
Posted: Nov 24, 2002 4:51 am
 
I am now reminded by my husband that the most recent Tav I heard made me want some aspirin. I musta blocked that out. I sure do treasure the older stuff. We've both enjoyed this music for years.

Well, if that's what ya heard, I can't blame you for wondering, actually.

rocknrollnurse
Posted: Nov 25, 2002 5:03 am
 
tav & the unapproachable Panther Burns have always done their part to keep that Memphis sound warped to perfection..& they've provided some memorable New Years' celebrations & some good records..all in all,great Memphis band!
Chris Alienator
Posted: Nov 27, 2002 2:17 am
 
My wife stands about 5 foot 5 has long blonde hair and some thunder sexy thighs,
My rival does lines everywhere even in his underwear.
personality crisis
Posted: Dec 1, 2002 4:44 am
 
http://www.intheredrecords.com/pages/pantherburns.html
Chris Alienator
Posted: Dec 10, 2002 1:20 am
 
My rival drives a fancy car
Drinks lemonade in college town bars
My rival plays in blues dou
And has a fatass girl too...
My Rival..
My Rival...
and is a decietfull person too.

Bing shing zing...doo,loo, zow..

Stop Cowagulating!!!

I'm discombobulated!!!

Chris Alienator
Posted: Dec 11, 2002 12:41 am
 
For the sake of beating a dead horse. How do they get those wierd zap sounds and stuff on that album? I'd like to believe that they're just rubbing a lazer gun on the pick ups but no way..it's way to slick...then I thought maybe a phaser...but the only person I know who realy uses a phaser is eddy Van Halen, and that still doesn't make good sense. Then I thought maybe the Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth, but nos too, it sounds like an analog synth, but I never heard one like that. It's probbably something simple I don't know about. For that matter...How does The Oblivians get the ambulance effect on Emergency?
ed oblivian
Posted: Dec 11, 2002 10:18 pm
 
Thats Jack's voice.
Chris Alienator
Posted: Dec 12, 2002 12:44 am
 
I thought about that last night...you guys are geniousesd.
ed oblivian
Posted: Dec 12, 2002 2:40 am
 
I think my rival is about Chris Bell.
mika de sica
Posted: Dec 12, 2002 2:46 pm
 
his new record is great.

behind the magnolia...there's this song called river of love, who made it originally?

moody prick
Posted: Dec 12, 2002 4:46 pm
 
By "new" I guess you mean Panther Phobia which is great-but I'm holding out for the next record which is recorded and due. His current band is road-tested and hot and it will be something to hear what they've come up with in the studio.

"River of Love" is a Mack Self tune.

Chris Alienator
Posted: Dec 13, 2002 12:09 am
 
Yeah I did some research on Big Star last night...those guys are all kind of pricks...like Chilton has some reputation that I don't know the full story on yet...but like Microsoft wanted to do some documentary about them and they had to can it cuz LX says he'll never do another intervue. And the bass player went back to college, got some masters degree in marketing...went to work for some army airplane corporation in Texas...and won't stop talking about how much richer he is than the rest of the guys...and how all he want's to do is make money.

Chris Bell was probably the coolest cuz he wound up working in a fast food restaurant and died.

But I'm not a fan of Big Star yet...just alot of Chilton's solo expirimental stuff. I hear the Gories all hate him exept for Peg...and he's part of the reason they broke...but all and all Chiltons a pretty cool fucker...but I'll keep my idoltry to Deniz Tek...that dude flys F-15's...shit!!!

mika de sica
Posted: Dec 16, 2002 3:43 pm
 
mack self -i vibrate is one of my favourite sun rock-a-billy songs ever but i didn't know that -river of love is his work too...yep, thanks.
mcfreak66
Posted: Dec 28, 2002 8:34 pm
 
I was turned on to Big Star a couple of years ago. Go to KaZaa and check out (if you can find it):

Thirteen
Don't Lie To Me
Give Me Another Chance
September Gurls
I'm In Love With A Girl
Holocaust

Good shite.

Chris Alienator
Posted: Jan 3, 2003 8:59 am
 
Big Stars touch and go...like I said I'm not a fan yet...but everytime I listen to them I think Posies and Teenage Fanclub and a host of other quasimainstream 90's alternative bands. I pretty much hate all that shit since garage has gotten big...I see it as an extension of alternative, but based more on popular taste than anything else...like musicaly interesting for about 5 minutes...something interesting to listen to about 2 or 3 times a year to reminisce about corny past trends, that is untill MTV starts shoving it down your throat..."cult of the artist" shit, contrived middle class crap.

Big Star were volatile enough that they were consistently interesting...but like I said too many bands in the 90's made a career off of ripping them off and killing the sound aesthetic...Alex Chilton is touch and go too...but always fucking cool in his own original way...perfect for when I'm feeling all valium like right now...and traditional enough to keep a rippin, rockin groove.

chilliwack
Posted: Jan 4, 2003 1:31 am
 
I can't believe what I'm reading. I think Tav and Alex have produced some of the most original music to come out of Memphis in the past 30 years. Yeah, it's an opinion.<BR><BR>

Panther Burns isn't just about the music. It was about being/doing something different--something that only the best of today's Memphis bands strive to do. Garage music will always be cool to garage music fans. To others, it's just a fad that comes and goes.<BR><BR>

And who can blame Alex Chilton for being an asshole from time to time? I'd be an asshole too after getting fucked in the ass by the whole Box Tops experience. The fact that he came back with Big Star and "Flies on Sherbert" is amazing. The man has artistic integrity.<BR><BR>

If you know Tav or Alex, then fine, go ahead and say your piece. But most of us don't, and shouldn't say a fucking thing. So shut up and listen to the music. That's what it's for.

Chris Alienator
Posted: Jan 6, 2003 11:17 am
 
But what about Dick Dickerson...Yes what about Dick Dickerson...the man who many blame for the final break up of Big Star...ne'er do good, evil genious...or garage super hero? You be the judge.

I don't think The Box Tops shit is what makes Chilton an asshole...he knows it was common practice for musicians to get totally fucke in those days...as still is today.

I think what makes Chilton seem like an asshole is that he's seriously smart...and knows alot of stuff...not just about music either....about being a fuckin creative forward thinking motherfucker....I mean at the same time he was playing back up with blues Rock N Roll legends...starting beatles pysachadelia Big Star...and doing lots of Qualudes.....he was doing improvisational shit in New York with Suicide...hanging out with Patti Smith etc...the man knows what artistic integrity is about...I'm not going to defend him that much....but I'm a firm believer that the world needs more "assholes".....cuz most people today are spoiled fucking middle to upper class winy stupidos who don't know jack about getting at the essence of blues or rock n roll or anything else thier stupid band wants to put out....and they're getting away with it...that's what makes me sick/amused....but I digress. Stop Cowagulating.

Chris Alienator
Posted: Jan 6, 2003 11:21 am
 
Oh yeah there's not enough control freaks in this stupid P.C. world either...those people usualy got the best visions anyway. Avante Garde Minimalism...yeah...how about the pretentious art movement that mattered...I'm talking Cubism motherfuckers...yeah a big fucking African mask stickin his toungue out at your avantegarde trendy ass sunglasses...this is the blues baby!!!! I got my sunglasses at a truck stop...

I'm realy not that big a fan of Chilton's but I got mad respect...Peach OUt.

Chris Alienator
Posted: Jan 6, 2003 11:24 am
 
or was it Dick Dickinson? Dick Dickmon? Dick Dick Something.
moody prick
Posted: Jan 6, 2003 4:27 pm
 
Jim (James Luther)...Dickinson. The man behind the knobs on Third and Flies on Sherbert.
And props to Ross Johnson-trapdrumsmaster supreme and connecting link (well, one of many) between Flies and Panther Burns. Oh, and unsung uh vocalist.
smartypants
Posted: Jan 6, 2003 10:27 pm
 
big snore
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