Posted: Oct 6, 2007 4:15 am
You're a moron! "most of her fans prefer her previous albums"??? Did you ask them all? HEE-HAW! She sold more of the last record; therefore it was her most successful. Go cry a Chumney river. I never said I'm secure with the status quo; I said your girlfriend was a mediocre candidate who ran a poor campaign ....
Yes, hee haw, my comments about what I'd heard fans say about the album were comments I remember glancing at in fan message boards last year when album was just released and when I'd look at youtube live videos from the tour and read the comments. Though I wanted to see more posted about the musicians, the fans were mostly not interested in talking about them or would occasionally make a snide comment from time to time, but I didn't expect them to have the same listening priorities as me since I am a fan of the band. Maybe things got better in there too though.
Her fans buy all her albums, so purchasing does not equate with liking an album best nor does it indicate a backup band they're not familiar with is the reason for the purchase. Her ever-expanding fan base, the label's marketing push, and the promise of another Cat Power album to anxious fans are what led to her fans buy it, not a sudden desperation to hear the Memphis backup musicians. I personally wanted to hear them on it because I'm their fan and I loved the album, but I am not her normal fanbase.
My point was that the album didn't achieve whatever sales success it achieved just because of the band, despite JD's comment about her mediocrity that I was originally talking about that set off the firestorm in here although I later apologized for overdoing my comment about poor JD.
Some who bought the album liked it best, and some didn't like it as much as prior albums like You Are Free. Despite the occasional snide comments I saw from time to time on a stupid message board or video, I'm sure mostly people were fine with the band. I did just check the web and see a person or two mention liking the band, so that's great. The band got some publicity by the label trying to market what's different about the album's sound to the public in their press, but mentions of the band also help the band members more than it does Chan. It's not all about "dumb luck" of a mediocre talent but hard work building a fan base, bringing the material, and touring. Just my opinion.
As for calling her mediocre, fine, whatever, but I still think she can sell a lot of records writing in a variety of styles and the musician offering his "professional assessment" of her abilities in the original quotation cannot do the same himself, as I said.
These were her own fans that she's garnered from her years of touring buying the album, not the band's fans. They couldn't draw on their own like she does. Let's see them pull in as many people on a tour without Miss "Mediocrity" on their own. I never said it was a bad album; I said this "mediocre talent" didn't require Memphis to sell her records despite the attitude JD had in the quotation.
Though some critics included comments about the Memhis backup band gleaned from the label presskit, I also read things by fans that called the album the "apotheosis of safe indie rock" complaining on their own website:
<i>At this stage in her career (her seventh record; I was surprised, too) one could logically argue that Marshall could only take the Cat Power "thing" – moody, depressive and somewhat atonal music, insular and breathy (though strangely sensual) and somewhat atonal singing – so far, and what she needed was a clean break with some spot-on, legendary session musicianship. Fair enough, but having listened to the thing a good ten times now, I'm convinced the opposite is true. This is the Cat Power record that's been in the works for some time now: it's streamlined to the point of being thoroughly anodyne, shorn of many of the qualities that makes her so striking and compelling,...</i>.
About The Greatest, another fan wrote, "I hope she feels like she's stretched and had some breathing room, and perhaps her next album will find the voice that was so self-assured on You are Free (still her best album)." Another fan on Amazon wrote that what was "missing" from The Greatest are "those gripping moments found on You Are Free".
But of course we can find favorable and unfavorable things online about any album.
And I'm sure Marshall herself would have nothing but praises for the band since that was the reason she put them on her album and tour. I personally like the album a lot because I'm a fan of Memphis recordings but I'm not part of her fanclub and I was explaining that it wasn't fair to trash her as mediocre and build up the band as the reason for all her success.
Also, to saispan, I already pointed out in my original post that the previous album from the 1990s she did in Memphis does not contain her best known songs and wasn't as memorable to me and to patronizingly say "Memphis" helped her when she recorded the 1990s album is to reverse who helped who. She helped the studio put another name in its resume by recording there and did not have to come to Memphis to have a place to record that one either.
(To sarah jessica, I give up, I'll have to buy the perfume.)
The bottom line in Chumney's loss, regardless of my views of problems people have in respecting a woman candidate, is she obviously didn't get her message out to the voters who went for Herenton, which I forgot about when writing about sexism. So in that respect it's her campaign's fault. While she's no church-backed conservative Dick Hackett, you are right that neither she nor he years ago did what was needed to draw more Black voters. So my comments missed that point. I voted for Herenton over Hackett, for that matter because I don't want to see anyone in power long enough to potentially abuse their power or become too apathetic to be effective any more. A fifth term was ridiculous for any person.
But I'll grant you that she basically didn't do what had to be done to win and will assume it's not mainly about people being unwilling to take a female candidate seriously.
As to the Utah poster, I never said there weren't women in Memphis music. I just said the city sometimes has some problems in its respect for women and it has nothing to do with my views of "Goner" since that was mentioned as a red herring.
My posts just provoke anger, so there's no point in having said anything although I was only trying to state my own views. I was giving a reaction to part of an essay that was being quoted, and I'm sorry it is so upsetting for me to have this view. And I can expect more "you're a moron" etc. types of answers so it's not possible to talk here, and I've already said what I had to say anyway.
Since they're so irritating, you might as well delete my posts and move on to more productive discussions like you were having before I made my comments on the topic. Only the moderator has the ability to delete them, not me, unfortunately, or I would. I'm bored to tears repeating this stuff and I know you are too.