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Goner Message Board / Memphis / prescription for speed??
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april n
Member
Posted: Nov 9, 2006 11:56 pm    
anybody have a doctor to suggest that would give me a precription for speed without too much hassle??
Buck Wilders
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:06 am    
Dr. Pepper?
sherman
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:34 am    
I'd get a radar detector, not a doctor, if that's what you want to do.
dtrain
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:36 am    
Uh...I can't imagine you needing that Miss April????!!!!
conner sewer
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:53 am | Edited by: conner sewer    
I can\'t imagine that it would be that hard. Trouble concentrating, having problems staying focused at work, etc. Seems like anybody can get prescribed adderall these days... Then just say that it works but it makes you anxious, get a xanax prescription, and give me a call.
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:56 am    
i need a memphis dr.....i just got insurance....i think i probably really have adhd so i think that it won't be that hard. do you have to go to a psychiatrist or can a regular dr prescribe it?
conner sewer
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:01 am    
Does your insurance company not have a list of doctors that accept your insurance locally? I'm still on my parents' which is Tricare and they're real strict about where I can and can't go. I want to say that a regular doc can prescribe it but I'm not positive.
Earles
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 1:53 am    
What are you a jazz musician???? Is this the 50's????
Miss Faye
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:08 am    
I do believe mini-thins are still widely available. Or shit, go to GNC and get some of those crazy diet pills like Xenadrine or Ripped Fuel.
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:09 am    
i want pharm grade though....nobody here has a prescription? i have aetna insurance....i'm not sure how strict the dr list is.....
d diggler
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:12 am    
this is smart. why don't you just call the dea an have em come pick you up.
JDRhea
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 6:13 am    
Make an appt to see my doc...I get thirty 30 mill capsules of adderrall each month. It's Dextro-amphetamine. Works great with few side effects and even the side effects such as trouble staying asleeep when its time to crash is very rare. I'll send you his name april. Its legit, he's not crooked, he has a lot of faith in Adderralls overall benifit. I'll send you his name.
eric o
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 8:28 am    
speeeeeeedy vacation coming up!
Rumpleforeskin
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:26 pm    
You just got insurance and the first thing you wanna do is score speed? Doctor Nick doesn't practice here any more. Last week you were moaning about back trouble. Looks like hyphocondria here. I got a better suggestion: "Mammy sez if you puts a knife under the bed, it 'll cut the pain in two".
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:50 pm    
it has nothing to do with hypochondria. i pulled something in my back 2 weeks ago. i rarely get sick or think that i'm sick. i just want a prescription for adderrall.....is that so strange? i thought maybe now that i have insurance i could afford it.
d diggler
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:52 pm    
are there any sane goner chicks??? (aside from xteene an goner rhea an norah???)
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 2:53 pm    
haha....you're probably in the wrong place dirk.
Rumpleforeskin
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:09 pm    
i just want a prescription for adderrall
You want some medicine that will turn you into a poison snake?
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:14 pm    
a poison snake?
sixelsix
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:16 pm    
You just got insurance and the first thing you wanna do is score speed? Doctor Nick doesn't practice here any more.

His daughter hangs out at the Deli fairly frequently. Not that she would necessarily be able to help you tho.
Rumpleforeskin
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 3:27 pm    
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Golightly
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:10 pm    
Me and the other singer in our band went to Doctor Nick with throat problems in 82......we were in seperate rooms and at the end of my appointment, before Dr Nick left the room, I asked if he ...ahem.....could write a prescription for something to sleep on....being rock n rollers and all....he reaches for his script pad.....paydirt....or so I thought......I walked out of my appointment room at the same time as my buddy....both of us had scripts in our hands.....we got out to the parking lot and both of the scripts said "WARM MILK".......oh how we laughed
Uptight White
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:14 pm | Edited by: Uptight White    
Try some over the counter diet pills. The old gym standy, Xenadrine, was similiar to the intensity of meth, minus the staying awake for 18 hours straight part.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:30 pm    
Doesn't Xenadrine contain Ephedra? Ephedra is absolutely, positively not comparable to Methamphetamine. Ephedra is however used on occasion in the clandestine manufacture of meth. The difference in intensity between the two is like the difference between being shot with a BB gun and a direct hit from a nuclear warhead.
Uptight White
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:36 pm    
Perhaps the meth I tried was low grade, but the difference I noticed was minor.
MATAlac
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 4:37 pm    
I took Adderall for years and have had friends on it also. I kicked it about 5 years ago, and everybody I knew who was on it evenutally quit also. The drug has some great front end benefits but, there is no long term solution that I'm basically a lazy ass and had to take drugs to overcome it.

Adderall is too perfect of a drug to get into during college. My employer/job now dosen't demand that I be spiked off my ass to complete tasks, like cramming for tests and doing papers.
felixthedog
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:02 pm    
Adderall = Evil

I had a girlfriend who'd take it and become a bitch on wheels. Then again, she was a bitch most of the time. I think it was just her.
car
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:17 pm    
Most over the counter diet pills no longer have Ephedra in them. After all the stuff a few years ago with several people dying of heart attacks they pretty much banned ephedra in its herbal state - Ma Huang. Over the counter diet pills don't work like they used to, and they were never comperable to adderall. Rough v. smooth.
Jack Stands
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:35 pm    
i just want a prescription for adderrall
You want some medicine that will turn you into a poison snake?


I got it.
MATAlac
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 5:44 pm    
I want to grow Ma Huang, I heard its easier than growing pot.
joseph t
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 7:50 pm    
i just want a prescription for adderrall.....is that so strange?

Ohhh god. Runnin with those young'ns is wearin the old lady out.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 10, 2006 10:05 pm    
Ephedra was banned, but it is no longer banned. It has nothing to do with heart attacks. It had everything to do with it being a cheap and easy precursor to methamphetamine. They banned Ephedra at the same time that they started really unleashing meth as the big, new boogie man across the midwest for people to rally up against. I'm not trying to suggest that meth is not a powerful, dangerous chemical that can unleash disasterous effects on a community. Then again, there are over 500 deaths from Aspirin every year and they waged a propaghanda war against ecstacy which has yet to kill over a hundred people a year - and a vast majority of those are not from MDMA itself but from adulterants and the unsafe behavior of those under it's influence (dehydration being one of the most major risks).
Possum
Member
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 11:34 am    
I have ADD and hoo boy does it suck. I have to do like 40 things at one time or I wig out. I think my dad is the same way, but he channels it all into work and home improvement things... which may explain why he's nearly chopped his fingers off three times with grinders and table saws.

Anyhoo. Got diagnosed in my 20s. I'm 34 now. I've taken 'em all... Conerta, Strattera, Ritalin. They all sucked except for Adderall. Don't even bother with Strattera, 'cause it doesn't have the speed aspect to it. Waste of time. Concerta kept me focused for maybe 2 hours, then nothing. Same with Rit, and then I'd crash by noon.

Adderall is a pain in the ass though because you have to get a new script every single time you get it filled. Doctors cannot call it in or write X amount of refills for you. I see my MD once a month (not just for the ADD) and he has to write me a new one each time.

My MD started me out on 10mg and that did nothing for me. I'm on 25mg now (highest you can get is 30) and take the Adderall XR, meaning it gradually releases in yr system all day. I take it at 6 AM or so and by 5 PM I can feel it dropping off.

Regular Adderall was awesome 'cause within 20 mins of taking it, BOOM. You're awake. Problem was by about noon I'd start crashing and by 3:00 I'd be ready to kill everyone, 'cept I was too tired.

O yeah, and if you don't have prescription insurance, Addy is expensive as hell. My insurance covers it and it's still $45 a month. If I didn't have insurance it would be about $150/month.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 5:56 pm    
That must be specific to where you are cause I have friends here in Wisconsin that just go get their refills every months without having to talk to their doctor. Also, here MD's can not write scripts for Adderall, it has to be a psychiatrist.
Earles
Member
Posted: Nov 12, 2006 10:54 pm    
Ephedrin was banned because it is an actual ingredient in Meth - people were walking into convenience stores and buying in bulk.
SAMBEAUX
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:55 am    
MD's can not write scripts for Adderall, it has to be a psychiatrist.

A psychiatrist is an MD. I think you're being had.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:46 am    
Ephedrine was not banned. Ephedra was. They are not the same.

A psychiatrist is an MD. I think you're being had.

Whatever, you know what I meant.
chuckvicious
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:16 am    
people always think i am weird cause i am not on any drugs. What drug should I do?
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 10:54 am    
people always think i am weird cause i am not on any drugs. What drug should I do?

coffee, cigerettes, and chocolate are all easily to find.
Possum
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 12:16 pm    
That must be specific to where you are cause I have friends here in Wisconsin that just go get their refills every months without having to talk to their doctor. Also, here MD's can not write scripts for Adderall, it has to be a psychiatrist.

Hmm. I'm surprised it's not super-controlled everywhere. I suppose it's cause TN, especially Memphis, has a seeeerious meth problem.

Any MD in TN can prescribe it; the one who prescribes it for me is not a psychiatrist.
Golightly
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:31 pm    
people always think i am weird cause i am not on any drugs. What drug should I do?

Ask dirk diggler......evidently he has taken everything and way more than anyone else.....and I believe him.....just read his posts
april n
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:38 pm    
Any MD in TN can prescribe it; the one who prescribes it for me is not a psychiatrist.

oh yeah? that's good to know.....
Jack Stands
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 4:45 pm    
In roughly ten minutes, I have already composed a one act play about april going to the doctor for an adderall perscription. These things just happen. I can't explain why.
dangerouspinkie
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:10 pm    
actually i even talked to somebody the other day who said they had a nurse practitioner prescribe the aderall for them. not sure if they just talked to the nurse practitioner at the doctor's office about it or if the np actually was the prescriber.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:02 pm    
Are you talking about obtaining a prescription or getting a pre-existing prescription re-written to be taken into a pharmacy. I have a hard time believing that anyone but a psychiatrist can write a script for Adderall... even in another state. No disrespect intended, but the idea of a nurse practitioner being able to diagnose a "chemical imbalance" in the mind is ridiculous. The same goes for a general doctor. That's like going to a proctolagist and getting plastic surgery on your nose.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:57 pm    
If you are the slightest bit overweight, go to a "fat doctor". My mom went to one in the St. Francis complex all through the 80's and thank god for that. I helped her not strain her heart as much by stealing as much as possible.

Will MDs prescribe Adderall without a psych dx (i.e. "I'm sleepy. I need some speed.")? I somehow doubt it. I work in a hospital and "Med Seeking Behaviors" is a HUGE very "now" term. They red flag you and everything. I guess you can pay out of pocket to some doc who might be willing to write whatever, but I don't know who those guys are. Insurance will only cover a certain amount before their alarm goes off.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 10:26 pm    
A friend of mine has gotten the red flag and one night during a party he got a large chunk of glass stuck completely through his hand. The doctors gave him T3's because he's been flagged as an opiate addict and is in the system for getting a probation revoked as a result of intravenous drug use. It's pretty easy to not get flagged. I've been able to scam shots of morphine out of doctors in the emergency room before. It's all about social engineering. Being an upstanding, adult member of you community and carrying yourself like a good civillian always garners you extra points when looking for a script.
car
Member
Posted: Nov 13, 2006 10:43 pm    
Being an upstanding, adult member of you community and carrying yourself like a good civillian always garners you extra points when looking for a script.

This is a very good point.
Argh
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:28 am    
Whatever you do, April, its probably best not to call it 'speed' when you talk to your doctor. if you think you have adhd, your doctor will probably refer you to a specialist, who can write you the script. If you have insurance, this shouldn't be a big deal.

Me, i'm saving up all my problems for one big doctors appointment. It should be coming soon as I seem to have had bronchitis for a month. I was gonna try to get adderall too (so I guess that blows Ned's theory), because I really think I need it. Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.
elle
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:58 am | Edited by: elle    
docs love to put anyone and everyone on adderall because the pharmaceutical companies give them sweet ass kickbacks in the form of cruises and timeshares. adderall is an especially viable one for them to prescribe. see also viagara, and almost any type of drug that the doctor's office has pens and notepads for. hah. a lot of the medicines prescribed for depression are pretty commonly prescribed without much diagnosis too, just like adderall.

just say you're starting school soon and you're having difficulty concentrating while you read. don't suggest to him any type of medication. just imply subtly that you have adhd and if he's like most md's these days, he is going to write you a script almost immediately for adderall. most don't ask that many questions about history or anything. just simply want to get one step closer to getting a vacation to aruba.

kinda makes me sick, but i have quite a few friends that milk the system, so i can't balk at it completely. i just wish it were easier to come across some painkillers every now and again cuz my shoulder and my knee are mangled right now. i ain't all into adderall. i like to sleep.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:50 pm    
Being an upstanding, adult member of you community and carrying yourself like a good civillian always garners you extra points when looking for a script.

It all depends. Sure, they'll give you something whomever you are, but they aren't so stupid to believe that drug addicts and simple fienders look the same as some stereotypical scabby fool. They are fucking doctors and nurses and they get wrapped up in it too. Thing is now, they are still writing rx's, but instead of 25-30, you'll get 10-15. With zero refills. Which, for some people and depending on the drug, can mean about 2-3 getting high times before they need/want to find more. Believe me, they are on your case. No one's fooling anyone.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:14 pm    
It's all about not going in looking to get high. I have a friend, he's a teacher, he works with children every day. He got the shit. I would suggest going in to the place and putting yourself in the place of a person who deals with that doctors children every day. You don't go in wanting speed, you go in needing help. It's not so hard as you're insinuating, of course, that still doesn't mean they're gonna buy it.

Fact of the matter is, they're prescribing this shit to people every day. They're just not so cavalier when they're dealing with addicts, users and the kind of people that could potentially put their jobs at risk. That's what it all boils down to, they don't want to risk their jobs. So, don't make them risk their jobs. Be a sure thing.

It is that easy. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a square. You gotta know the hustle. Just don't hustle 'em. Simple.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 4:25 pm    
I work in a hospital, remember? My point is that you are not FOOLING ANYONE with that faux hustle and while they will likely end up writing rx's if you are coming off halfway together, it isn't that easy to get a consistent, "maintenance" rx. I have been to classes for CEUs titled, "Medication Seeking Behaviors" and a huge point in them is that no one is a "sure thing". If you are OK with getting a few somethings here and there, sure, it is relatively easy. Remember, this is what I have done for a living for a number of years--I might know a few things.

Banned, you know a lot, but you don't know it all. Again, give people who might have a bit more or different experiences than you a moment to pipe up on a topic.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:03 pm    
I agree with what you're saying, except for the part where you shatter their dreams. All I'm saying is that the system is not fool proof, and the main thing to keep in mind is avoiding "Medication Seeking Behaviors." You can't be going around trying to get scripts from different doctors, that can land you in jail, so if you want it, you need to make it work. They're not doing little scripts here and there for people who need the stuff, so, if you really do need the stuff (and who doesn't?) then you'll get the stuff.

You're saying this is difficult, you work at a place. I'm saying it's not, I've beaten the system. I know plenty of people who are prescribed to Adderall. Obviously it's not as hard as you think it is. I'm not saying it's easy, even if I use the word, I'm saying that it's possible, if you do things correctly.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:08 pm    
You know when you're breaking into someone's house, or stealing something too large to hide from store how the key to getting away with it is believing that you're not stealing but entering your own house, or doing your job, it's the same thing that gets you scripts. It's a confidence because, hey, you're not scamming them, you really need this drug. How bad do you need it? Bad enough that you'll have ADD/ADHD to get it. You know what? You do have ADD, so, you deserve the drug.

I dunno, maybe I'm just criminal minded, but this shit has never been hard for me. I know I'm not an empathetic person and I take my own skills for granted, but I figure if I can do it, if my friends can do it, you can do it too. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:25 pm    
I am definitely not denying it isn't that hard to get away with for recreational purposes every once in awhile, but for a maintenance drug for a self-diagnosis of ADHD? It really is not that easy. Go to a psych (she has insurance) and see what they have to say. If they dx you with it, it won't be hard in the least to get the rx. If they just think you want speed for speed's sake, you will have a more difficult time.

Thing is, if you really have that dx, it will pop you awake and you may feel more focused for a bit, but you level out more than feel nice and speedy. And, for adults with real ADD/ADHD those drugs are really easy to max out therapeutic levels really fast.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:36 pm    
Wait? How would you get a script without being diagnosed as having ADD? They just give out the occasional script for people who feel they need a little pep?


Thing is, if you really have that dx, it will pop you awake and you may feel more focused for a bit, but you level out more than feel nice and speedy.


Debatable. Obviously not for someone in the medical industry, but considering that the whole concept of "mental health" and the industry it's based on is nothing more than a scam at best, and at worst the end result of draconian ideas that put us not too far ahead of where we were in the middle ages... well, let's just say that I take the above statements with a grain of salt. Anything you take habitually will basically level you out more than make you feel _____.
fierydrunk
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Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:47 pm    
Wait? How would you get a script without being diagnosed as having ADD? They just give out the occasional script for people who feel they need a little pep?

Confused about this confusion. I have never heard of anyone getting an Adderall rx without a dx of something...but I could be wrong. Who knows?

You know how I feel about your views/complete generalities on the "mental health industry" as a whole, but I don't see how you are taking what I said with a grain of salt when you basically agree with me (to a point). And not everything you take for your mind or other body parts "levels out" past a therapeutic level--that is simply wrong. There are PLENTY of drugs that you can take for a lifetime every day that will continue to work; even neuro/psych drugs.
banned
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Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:02 pm | Edited by: banned    
I'm sorry, I thought you were trying to suggest that if you are not dx'd with ADD/ADHD that you still might be able to rarely get an rx, but you will not be able to consistently hook up with it. In my experience, and the experience of my peers, you're either prescribed or you're not. They may tweak your rx, they may try different scripts till they find something that works for whatever your problem is, but I've never heard of them giving you a script for Adderall one month and then not doing it the next, or giving it to you once, then not doing it and maybe giving you another months somewhere down the line.

In my experience and that of my peers, either you're on it, or you're not. Of course, part of our disagreement may be geographical. I've had friends who got scripts for Desoxyn (pharm grade methamphetamine). It might be more difficult in a more heavily populated area, or in an area that has more pronounced drug problems.

You're right that there are plenty of drugs that work the same every time. I've been prescribed to Cozaar for high blood pressure, if I built a tollerance I'd either have to continually have my dosage raised, or potentially die (of course, I don't take it anyway, so this is all in the abstract). Most psychoactive chemicals however do not act in this way. Amphetamine certainly will without a doubt only keep you "normal" once you start taking it habitually. Even a person who actually has ADD/ADHD will experience the same effects that people seek recreationally the first time they take it. I've actually known quite a few people who were diagnosed with ADD/ADHD as kids who went on to become adult abusers of stimulants. Obviously, since they actually do have ADD/ADHD, this would be useless, according to what is suggested by the mental health industry. I'm not talking about people who once they become adults can no longer get scripts for their medicine so they have to turn to the street to get it. I've seen these people tweak, I've done the shit with them, they definately get high from the stuff, despite their "chemical imbalance," which, by the way is a fallacy as there is no solid template for what is "normal" anyway.

I'm not trying to insult you with my feelings about this particular subject, it's something that I'm very passionate about. I understand that we probably disagree on alot on the subject. No hard feelings or anything. I realize you work in the field. I'm just stating my opinions/experience etc...
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:24 pm    
I just wish that people could see it is multidimensional. There are aspects of it in my opinion that I am very frustrated with and very angry about, but that doesn't detract from how aspects of this "field" have been extraordinarily helpful for many people. To hear people just give off-hand condemnations of an "industry" is unfair. That is what bothers me. It is more than simply your experience or my experience.

I only know about Adderall in the context of it being prescribed to kids with ADHD dx and from several people who took it during college to cram for exams. I know what they have told me about it. My stance on this (which can play into your comments above) is ADD/ADHD is entirely over diagnosed and much too easily prescribed a treatment that only involves stimulants. Plenty of people believe it isn't a valid psych dx and kids who actually don't have a problem will tell you it makes them feel "weird". But I have met a number kids with ADHD whom will eventually admit the drug helps them. Half the time, these kids don't want to take it, mainly for the stigma of being "crazy" or "having" to do something.

As far as more typically abused pharmaceuticals, I know a lot for several reasons--the main two being I work in the medical field and have worked with drug abusers and addicts for years now.
banned
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Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:43 pm    
I believe that psych drugs can be beneficial. One of my closest friends institutionalized himself yesterday. He's been under a great deal of stress, to put it mildly and had a bit of a breakdown. He called me and asked me for advice and told me he was thinking about seeing a doctor. He knows how I feel about the industry and shares much of my opinions, he's been through the wringer already, and although I wouldn't suggest it made *him* worse, it certainly didn't help him at all either. Anyway, his internal dialogue was getting violent and he couldn't control it. He couldn't sleep. He couldn't think straight. He didn't say it, but I could tell he was on the verge of blowing the voices out of his head with a pistol. I told him that although I have serious issues with the industry and everything that perhaps he could benefit from seeing a doctor. I told him that I felt that if he was temporarily put on some benzos or some other type of immediate acting anti-anxiety or sedative type meds that it might help calm his nerves enough to work through his problems.

I don't have a problem with drugs. Really. Hard as it may be to believe ;) I think they're tools and they can be useful. I think some tools are rarely ever useful, like SSRIs, for example. However, there are always exceptions to the rule.

I might be a little bit biased against the industry though as I've seen the disasterous results of their approach first hand. I've seen it ruin lives. It's destroyed friends. I think the mental health industry is a form of social control and is definately politically motivated. Call me paranoid, maybe I am. I mean, you'd be too if the government locked up your cousin and tried chemically lobotomizing him and used electro shock therapy because he was arrested with LSD. This was in the 70's. That's practically yesterday. Things haven't changed much either, because my friends and family are still being effected by this shit.


I'm tired of kissin' ass
I can't sit still all day
You know I know your school's a lie
That's why you dragged me here

'You're a hyperactve child
You're disruptive, you're too wild
We're going to calm you down
Now this won't hurt a bit'

Drag me to the floor
Pullin' down my pants
Ram a needle up my butt
Put my brain into a trance

'No more hyperactive child
Got too much of a mind
Wouldn't you rather be happy?
Now this won't hurt a bit'

Cameras in the balls
No windows, just brick walls
Pledge allegiance to a flag
Now you will obey

fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:06 pm    
It is just much more than that side of things. I find it hard to believe you aren't aware of that, but if you are biased against "it" because of some admittedly awful experiences with some archaic arm of the field, I can see how you have chosen to ignore anything else.

"Working things out" is part of mental health. You can do these things without drugs, but very rarely can someone just do them on their own without someone helping guide them if they are so fucked up they need to be suggested benzos to "relax" and cut out violent ideation. There are certainly bad therapists out there, but there are some kick ass ones too who look at helping people in a very practical manner and tend to avoid too much psych dx and reliance on pills to "make you better". That would be me.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:14 pm    
You can do these things without drugs, but very rarely can someone just do them on their own without someone helping guide them

I agree with this completely. I do not agree with who is responsible for the help however. Unfortunately there are people out there who do not have caring, intelligent family and/or friends with the perspective neccesary to help guide people through their problems. It sucks, and I guess for them, they have no option other than a therapist. Personally, I'd take my chances without help than see a doctor if it came down to it. That's just me.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:28 pm    
Well, that is just you. And naturally your decision. I don't do well in therapy, but it is because I rarely wanna do the work that is neccessary to change anything more than the fault of a therapist.

Just because you feel that way I believe it is unfair to condemn a system that can and does help a lot of people, including family and friends who are well-meaning but tired, burnt out, sad and frustrated with their loved one who is having problems.

But you know how I feel. I have to ask though, what exactly are you fearful of when it comes to just run of the mill "therapy" for an adult? Everything is informed consent and ultimately the client's choice to even participate to a level where real change can happen anyway. You can't force change on someone.
banned
Member
Posted: Nov 14, 2006 9:00 pm    
But you know how I feel. I have to ask though, what exactly are you fearful of when it comes to just run of the mill "therapy" for an adult? Everything is informed consent and ultimately the client's choice to even participate to a level where real change can happen anyway. You can't force change on someone.

I'm not fearful of it, I just don't believe it's the right way to do it. I also am a fan of tattoos and have some myself, but I don't believe in going to tattoo parlors. I record albums but I don't go into recording studios.
fierydrunk
Member
Posted: Nov 15, 2006 12:33 am    
To each their own.
Possum
Member
Posted: Nov 15, 2006 12:56 pm    
Wait? How would you get a script without being diagnosed as having ADD? They just give out the occasional script for people who feel they need a little pep?


That won't fly. In TN anyway, the doctor has to write your diagnosis on your script every time you get it filled. Now maybe there's other things the law will let you get Adderall, etc. for aside from ADD, but if there is I don't know of any.

"Wore out" ain't gonna cut it on the script.

On my script every month, my doctor writes "dx:Adult ADHD", and license number (which they normally don't have to do). I think Addy and its ilk are Schedule 2 drugs, which in the law's eyes are up there with cocaine and weed.
eric o
Member
Posted: Nov 15, 2006 3:35 pm    
DIAGNOSIS: Wore out!
dag
Member
Posted: Nov 15, 2006 5:24 pm    
and to think, back in the day, i loved Dead Kennedys and worried that they would lose relevance as time passed...
thememphiscreep
Member
Posted: Nov 15, 2006 7:00 pm    
if you've ever been in any sort of drug or alcohol treatment, it should be on your records, and most doctors wouldn't want to risk prescribing a stimulant to someone with a history of drug abuse.
Parker
Member
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 1:51 pm    
Banned, do you know under what name adderal is sold in Europe?
banned
Member
Posted: Dec 1, 2006 4:47 am    
Adderall is not available in Europe. I don't know if they prescribe amphetamine in Europe and what it's called if they do. I do know that amphetamine is more common on the street than methamphetamine there. From what I understand the Czech Republic is the only major source of methamphetamine in Europe. Adderall is mixed amphetamine salts. I don't know if there is a site for Europe like our www.rxlist.com, but you might wanna look for something like that and do a search for "amphetamine" to find what you can get over there. I've lost contact with all my euro drug nerd friends, so I can't really ask them. Sorry. Hope this is of some help.
Dog
Member
Posted: Jan 25, 2008 12:34 pm    
You're right that there are plenty of drugs that work the same every time. I've been prescribed to Cozaar for high blood pressure, if I built a tollerance I'd either have to continually have my dosage raised, or potentially die (of course, I don't take it anyway, so this is all in the abstract). Most psychoactive chemicals however do not act in this way. Amphetamine certainly will without a doubt only keep you "normal" once you start taking it habitually. Even a person who actually has ADD/ADHD will experience the same effects that people seek recreationally the first time they take it. I've actually known quite a few people who were diagnosed with ADD/ADHD as kids who went on to become adult abusers of stimulants. Obviously, since they actually do have ADD/ADHD, this would be useless, according to what is suggested by the mental health industry. I'm not talking about people who once they become adults can no longer get scripts for their medicine so they have to turn to the street to get it. I've seen these people tweak, I've done the shit with them, they definately get high from the stuff, despite their "chemical imbalance," which, by the way is a fallacy as there is no solid template for what is "normal" anyway.

I don't think the Pharm Industry suggests this at all. In fact it is in there best intrest to suggest as little as they possibly can in this regard. I think real "tolerance" is either progressive brain damage (or biological exhaustion) and/or experience [treatment] alteration with the same substance. Being closer to killing ones self finds its origins in the heighth of stupidity. Warning: you are getting stupider.
Quinn
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 12:31 pm    
Speed is fucking wack, and I'm going out on a limb by saying this but I think it makes people really annoying. I found a huge line of speed in the women's bathroom the other night. I'm not going to point any fingers but jeezus don't leave that shit out in the open, the cops will shut down Murphy's like the armory. I'm not gonna get all Tom Cruise here but April, you are the last person who needs a bottle of Aderrall, drink Mountain Dew or something.
conner sewer
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 1:43 pm    
Opiates are fucking wack, and I'm going out on a limb by saying this but I think it makes people really annoying.
If you are so worried about the pigs maybe you should have addressed this issue in someplace other than a public online forum.
Quinn
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 2:12 pm    
Point/Counter Point
STAAGS!
Jack Stands
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 2:19 pm    
I'm only involved BECAUSE I'M IN THIS FUCKING BAND, MAN!
conner sewer
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 2:32 pm    
Man I was hoping for some feuding cause work is so boring. Way to be grownups guys. STAAGS!
the 1 and only
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:00 pm    
There's a big difference in slinging dope vs. just finding some powder in the bathroom.

Let me set this little convo straight- Murphy's does NOT sell or condone the sale of drugs. We do, however sell great burgers and fat drinks.

So, calm down Quinn and burn you another joint.
the 1 and only
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:02 pm    
and...

what the fuck were you doing in the ladies room?
elle
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:15 pm    
when i went to school at indiana, they were CRANKING out the adderall to any students who suggested that they even had the slightest inkling of adhd. same with the antidepressants. you went in and said you're sad and the next thing you know, you're shuffled out the door quickly with a handful of samples of lexapro.

the pharmaceutical industry is wack and a lot of doctors who are not old school and conservative and really all that concerned with your health will crank out prescriptions like it's nothing just cuz they get kickdowns from the pharm industry. they get all kinds of cruises and other shit and it's disgusting. the only thing they should be getting from the pharm reps are pens and paper pads. it makes me sick how the first thing that most doctors want to give is a pill instead of looking at what the problem could potentially be and how other treatments are possible without doping you up with chems.
Quinn
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:29 pm    
Taking a piss? I didn't mean to infer that it had anything to do with Murphy's or the staff, I was directing the statement to drug using show goers not to leave shit laying around, it makes our place look like Printers. What the fuck do I care though? I'm just bored so I felt like adding my two cents. Does anyone else care to throw tomatoes?
Jack Stands
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:32 pm    
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
the 1 and only
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 3:47 pm    
just buggin bro.

you know I lurv you.
Jack Stands
Member
Posted: Jan 26, 2008 4:18 pm    
Speaking of getting geeked out, I just brought the kid back from a birthday party. He is all manner of hopped-up on candy and cake.
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